A re-examination of nothing

[Floatingaxe]

Well, from my own experience, I too have loved and have been emotionally and sexuality compatible with some men in the past (and they me as well) but a intimate relationship did not happen. Why? Because he was not the right one for me nor I him. So to me, you cannot depend upon your emotions and especially sexual compatibility (when btw, can be easily learned if marriage were to happen) to decide what's love and what's not. And to bring God into this like He just HAS to approve everything we think is good, otherwise He's a spiteful mean and selfish God? Please. If that were true, then honey, I'd be the happiest woman on earth!



Read and study Romans 1:21-32, I Corinthians 6:9-11. They will explain to you why homosexuality is sin. And our own logic has nothing to do with spirituality. Read Proverbs 3:5-6.

Because in case you didn't know, this is spritual battle everybody in this world is in, whether we like it or not. So it's not enough to just be adamite about what is sin and what isn't and leave it at that and be on about your business, but WHY it is and just how damaging it can be for those who submit to sin and also those who have to bear the burden of those who choose to sin.

Tha's why the bible is so important. It tells us WHY, among many other things.

Excellent!

 

[Leah]

Excellent!

Hey sis.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

God created in us a need for love, in all its expressions: filial, familial, and marital.

Which is why homosexuals in mariage like relationships are OK with God

He longs to give us what we desire, and to give us what He knows is the very best and what will please us the most!

Which is why marriage like relationships are OK with God

So, when we come to Him and ask for His best, He is pleased to give us those people in our lives that He desires for us.

Praise God for letting me find my wonderful, loving, beloved partner!

In His kids, of course, the need for marital love would naturally be fulfilled by those of the opposite sex, because plainly God possesses a hatred for homosexual acts.

Baloney. If God hated homosexual acts, they wouldn't be part of the way he made humans.

 

[Leah]

Soooo....God creates some people to be gay and others to be straight and then tell us that marriages are to be like Christ and the Church??? Husbands are to love their wives like Christ does the Church and for wives to see to that they respect and honor their husbands????

In a homoseuxal marriage, who is to be the husband and who is to be the wife? From a human perspective, both can't the husband and both surely cannot be the wife, can they? Just like you cannot call a man a woman and a woman a man. Right?

EnemyParty, with all do respect, what you said doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Soooo....God creates some people to be gay and others to be straight and then tell us that marriages are to be like Christ and the Church??? Husbands are to love their wives like Christ does the Church and for wives to see to that they respect and honor their husbands????

In a homoseuxal marriage, who is to be the husband and who is to be the wife? From a human perspective, both can't the husband and both surely cannot be the wife, can they? Just like you cannot call a man a woman and a woman a man. Right?

EnemyParty, with all do respect, what you said doesn't make any sense at all.

it doesn't make sense if you are going to insist that marriages shouldn't be an institution of equals.

But I believe a homosexual marriage should be EXACTLY the same as the way I believe a heterosexual marriage should be... a comming together of a loving couple, as sharing equals.

 

[Leah]

it doesn't make sense if you are going to insist that marriages shouldn't be an institution of equals.

But EP, this is not a matter of equality. This is about truth. Something that all christians need to live in and practice if we ever want to see God and spend eternity with Him.

That's why if one says he/she is a christian, then that person cannot lean on their own understanding.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

But EP, this is not a matter of equality. This is about truth. Something that all christians need to live in and practice if we ever want to see God and spend eternity with Him.

That's why if one says he/she is a christian, then that person cannot lean on their own understanding.

perhaps we differ on what "truth" is.

For me, "true" marriage is a partnership between equals

 

[davedjy]

Read and study Romans 1:21-32, I Corinthians 6:9-11. They will explain to you why homosexuality is sin

1 Cor. 6:9 - relies on a translation of arsenokoitai as "homosexual", which was universally translated as "masturbator" at the time of Martin Luther. It is a breaking of Biblical Exegesis to use the word "homosexual" in the Bible, as there wasn't any viable translation of the word in the Hebrew or Greek. That word definition is unknown, as it is obscure. You can see on the link below the ways that arsenokoitai have been translated:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm

Romans 1 -- deals with a pagan worship/idolatry practice. Verse 23 connects this dot, but it is not talking about gays and lesbians or same sex, monogamous relationships. The historical context is pagan worship, orgy practices before Aphrodite in Corinth. It seems that these people abandoned their natural instincts and natural dispositions (phusis and phusikos, the Greek words used in this passage) to be with the same sex. The orgy idolatry practices also included heterosexual debauchery.

In a homoseuxal marriage, who is to be the husband and who is to be the wife? From a human perspective, both can't the husband and both surely cannot be the wife, can they? Just like you cannot call a man a woman and a woman a man. Right?

Both do not have to be the "husband" or the "wife", just partners.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Which is why homosexuals in mariage like relationships are OK with God Which is why marriage like relationships are OK with God Praise God for letting me find my wonderful, loving, beloved partner!Baloney. If God hated homosexual acts, they wouldn't be part of the way he made humans.

That's all baloney!

 

[Floatingaxe]

perhaps we differ on what "truth" is.

For me, "true" marriage is a partnership between equals

You differ with God.

 

[davedjy]

That's all baloney!

Usually in a debate, we elaborate...which is what this forum is, a debate forum.

What is baloney, and why? it helps to be specific, and to prove the point you're making.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Both do not have to be the "husband" or the "wife", just partners.

Sez who? Certainly not Father God! This is clearly a case of people leaning on their own understanding rather than trusting what He says, and making the choice to live by His precepts.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
do not depend on your own understanding.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Usually in a debate, we elaborate...which is what this forum is, a debate forum.

What is baloney, and why? it helps to be specific, and to prove the point you're making.

Just repeating EP's fine response. It's OK for her, eh?

 

[davedjy]

Sez who? Certainly not Father God! This is clearly a case of people leaning on their own understanding rather than trusting what He says, and making the choice to live by His precepts.

It has nothing to do with leaning of your own understanding. It has to do with not seeing everything in a heterosexual way and making every relationship have to be that way.

Do you have some quote that says SPECIFICALLY that marriage is only between two opposite sex genders?

Just repeating EP's fine response. It's OK for her, eh?

Where did I say that I believe that is a credible way for anyone to respond? I don't remember reading her post with that short of an answer.
I do not claim to be the moderator of what is OK for one poster to post or the other, obviously I'm not. I'm just trying to be logical. There are plenty of people reading this thread, and a response that small does not refute the quote you quoted or properly address it. It seems like a waste of time to respond that way.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It has nothing to do with leaning of your own understanding. It has to do with not seeing everything in a heterosexual way and making every relationship have to be that way.

No--it has everything to do with a spirit that is against God and His Word...leaning on one's own human intellectual understanding. Standing toe to toe against God and what he is distinctly telling you and saying, "No, God!"

Do you have some quote that says SPECIFICALLY that marriage is only between two opposite sex genders?

Same as every other quote. Genesis account and Jesus' own words describing what constitutes a marriage.

Where did I say that I believe that is a credible way for anyone to respond that way? I don't remember reading her post with that short of an answer.

You missed it. OK.

 

[davedjy]

No--it has everything to do with a spirit that is against God and His Word...leaning on one's own human intellectual understanding. Standing toe to toe against God and what he is distinctly telling you and saying, "No, God!"

Yet there is no proof that it has anything to do with human intellectual understanding, OR that a same sex union is against God's will. Two people living out their lives as their true sexuality, it's living out life honestly.

Same as every other quote. Genesis account and Jesus' own words describing what constitutes a marriage.

Been over this before...it certainly does not describe what marriage isn't, or that the genders of the two involved must be opposite for there to be a union.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yet there is no proof that it has anything to do with human intellectual understanding, OR that a same sex union is against God's will. Two people living out their lives as their true sexuality, it's living out life honestly.

Well I haven't seen one iota of Scriptural proof that is interpreted correctly and by other Scriptures. It is ALL personal interpretation, which we are warned against.

Been over this before...it certainly does not describe what marriage isn't, or that the genders of the two involved must be opposite for there to be a union.

Yes it most certainly does. It is an understood model that Jesus was talking about, for there is none other! My goodness, the gay agenda is thick.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You differ with God.

You don't think God wants marriage to be a partnership of equals?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well I haven't seen one iota of Scriptural proof that is interpreted correctly and by other Scriptures. It is ALL personal interpretation, which we are warned against.



Yes it most certainly does. It is an understood model that Jesus was talking about, for there is none other! My goodness, the gay agenda is thick.

There is no such thing as "the gay agenda"

 

[savedandhappy1]

Exactly.

A loving God would be pretty unloving if he were to condemn people who mutually love and care for each other and are both emotionally sexuality compatible to a life unable to be together and act on thier compatability.

Seeing as I dont believe God is unloving the only logical conclusion I can reach is homosexuality = not a sin.

This is one of the reasons, I believe, why there won't be any marrying in heaven. We even read in the scriptures how it would be better not to marry, because then we could end up putting someone (spouse and children) ahead of God or letting them be a form of idolatry.

Also, as the scriptures tell us God's ways aren't our ways, so putting a human conclusion on a Godly purpose isn't logical to me.