A Question Rgarding Embedded Age

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yet I have had honest evolutionary folks tell me that the common ancestors really were their kinfolk, and that they exist as a result of these ancestors. They flat out admit they think they are here because of flatworm sex.

That should set off alarm bells in the human intellect. I agree with you, such a thought is yukky.

This discussion between dad and KTS was interesting in the flatworm

http://www.christianforums.com/t155068/
Questions about origins of life timeline


http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-76/#post65610486

http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-76/#post65609266

http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-76/#post65609218

No, and the flatworm couple having sex that supposedly spawned the species that eventually resulted in mankind is not alive now either. To suggest they would be alive is foolish.

Glad we agree on that.

Now all you have to do is realise that the ancestor was not a flatworm. The flatworms we have today are the result of millions of years of evolution since the time of the ancestral species, and thus have changed quite a bit genetically.

If you go back far enough, modern humans and modern flatworms have a common ancestor. That ancestor was not a flatworm.

The flatworms we have today are the result of millions of years of evolution since the time of the ancestral species, and thus have changed quite a bit genetically.

If you go back far enough, modern humans and modern flatworms have a common ancestor. That ancestor was not a flatworm.

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[dad]

This discussion between dad and KTS was interesting in the flatworm

http://www.christianforums.com/t155068/
Questions about origins of life timeline


http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-76/#post65610486

http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-76/#post65609266

http://www.christianforums.com/t155068-76/#post65609218





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" A team of scientists from Spain and the UK has determined that a certain curiously primitive group of flatworms are the oldest living ancestors to all "bilateral" animals-that is, those with a right and left side. These worms were previously thought to belong to a much younger group of organisms, and their newfound identity also implies that bilateral organisms began making their debut on Earth earlier than previously thought."




Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science -- ScienceDaily

 

[dad]

dad, with your comments, I honestly have a very hard time reconciling you are for real. Frankly, I don't believe you are, which is why I rarely respond to your posts which are pure fantasy.

If you must respond, do so with something other than whining.

 

[biggles53]

If you must respond, do so with something other than whining.

Ummm....I think you'll find that was more derision than whining.....

You really are just too much to believe at times....if I were to try to create a really extreme caricature of a creationist, I don't think it would come close to the reality that you and Aman represent....!

 

[dad]

Ummm....I think you'll find that was more derision than whining.....

Well try substance, and maybe something mildly interesting.

You really are just too much to believe at times....if I were to try to create a really extreme caricature of a creationist, I don't think it would come close to the reality that you and Aman represent....!

If you can't so much as tell who believes in creation of the bible, why broadcast it?

 

[biggles53]

Well try substance, and maybe something mildly interesting.



If you can't so much as tell who believes in creation of the bible, why broadcast it?

???......I'm sure that made sense to your fevered mind when you typed it....???

 

[dad]

???......I'm sure that made sense to your fevered mind when you typed it....???

Yes. It did.

 

[RickG]

If you must respond, do so with something other than whining.

Cute, however that does not change the fact that your change in physics after said flood has zero supporting evidence. Until you can show such evidence with empirical data and a testable hypothesis that claim is pure fantasy, as that it can be demonstrated through many independent means that the physics we observe on earth today are the same as they have always been.

 

[AV1611VET]

... as that it can be demonstrated through many independent means that the physics we observe on earth today are the same as they have always been.

With no interruptions?

 

[dad]

Cute, however that does not change the fact that your change in physics after said flood has zero supporting evidence.

Not a change IN physics. You are cornered, because that does not change the fact that your same ol same ol physics before and after after the flood has zero supporting evidence.

Until you can show such evidence with empirical data and a testable hypothesis that claim is pure fantasy, as that it can be demonstrated through many independent means that the physics we observe on earth today are the same as they have always been.

Phrase nonsense with 64 cent words and it is still nonsense. The bible state of the past remains unchallenged by science, and the heavyweight champion of the world!

 

[RickG]

With no interruptions?

The laws of physics don't change. Get your head out of the sand.

 

[RickG]

Not a change IN physics. You are cornered, because that does not change the fact that your same ol same ol physics before and after after the flood has zero supporting evidence.

No change in any physical laws of nature have been observed. No matter how hard you dream, that will always remain a fact.

Phrase nonsense with 64 cent words and it is still nonsense. The bible state of the past remains unchallenged by science, and the heavyweight champion of the world!

The bible has nothing to do with science. As for my 64 cent words, they were acquired with my B.S.E., M.S, & M.Ed. degrees. It's a hard habit to break, especially when I have no desire to down grade my education. But surely you understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

The laws of physics don't change.

But can they be changed? however briefly?

 

[RickG]

But can they be changed? however briefly?

No!

 

[AV1611VET]

No!

Well, I don't know what kind of basic doctrines you are taught, but for the record, I believe God has interrupted the laws of physics many times.

Some examples:

1. The burning bush = suspened laws of combustion.
2. Clothes not waxing old during Exodus = suspended entropy.
3. Shadrach, et.al. in fiery furnace = suspended laws of combustion.
4. Jesus walking on water = suspended laws of buoyancy.
5. Rapture = suspended law of gravity.

 

[RickG]

Well, I don't know what kind of basic doctrines you are taught, but for the record, I believe God has interrupted the laws of physics many times.

Some examples:

1. The burning bush = suspened laws of combustion.
2. Clothes not waxing old during Exodus = suspended entropy.
3. Shadrach, et.al. in fiery furnace = suspended laws of combustion.
4. Jesus walking on water = suspended laws of buoyancy.
5. Rapture = suspended law of gravity.

1. Burning Bush = A natural gas or volcanic vent underneath it giving the appearance of burning.
2. Clothes not waxing = They shouldn't in an environment so arid.
3. Firey furnace = In such a structure it has already been demonstrated that pockets of low heat and no fire exist. I think it was the History Channel that took this one on.
4. Walking on water = a barely submerged sand bar. I've performed the feat myself.
5. Rapture = Hasn't occurred yet, has it.

 

[AV1611VET]

1. Burning Bush = A natural gas or volcanic vent underneath it giving the appearance of burning.
2. Clothes not waxing = They shouldn't in an environment so arid.
3. Firey furnace = In such a structure it has already been demonstrated that pockets of low heat and no fire exist. I think it was the History Channel that took this one on.
4. Walking on water = a barely submerged sand bar. I've performed the feat myself.
5. Rapture = Hasn't occurred yet, has it.

Is this with respect to, or in spite of, what your church teaches?

(I'm assuming your church agrees with me, over you.)

 

[RickG]

Is this with respect to, or in spite of, what your church teaches?

(I'm assuming your church agrees with me, over you.)

It is because I am not a literalist. They are stories, not facts. By not being a literalist, I don't have to make things up like "embedded age" to support my belief in God.

 

[Dizredux]

Thanks for sharing; a bit of hefty duty reading; but even from a "christian perspective", if it goes against the Bible timeline, then it is not a christian perspective, but I digress.

Dr Wiens may not agree. You seem to have a rather restricted view of Christianity.

Let's address one key point in the article for assessing the age of anything past 6,000 years:

Might I suggest that you cross check your data with scientific sources. Major universities are usually a good place to start.

Dizredux

 

[dad]

1. Burning Bush = A natural gas or volcanic vent underneath it giving the appearance of burning.

Moses was on a volcanic mountain on fire!! So the talking, was it the lovebirds? How about the finger of God writing in the tablets..?

3. Firey furnace = In such a structure it has already been demonstrated that pockets of low heat and no fire exist. I think it was the History Channel that took this one on.

Right, a fire so hot it killed the escorts taking them to it. They just found a not so hot spot in the furnace!!! Ha. Pretty lame. Their clothes were not burned or even smelling of smoke.

4. Walking on water = a barely submerged sand bar. I've performed the feat myself.

Take a look at the lake where He did it. See any sand bars out in the middle? Peter started sinking looking at the waves...what he was in a 'quicksand bar'!!??