A question regarding the Sabbath

[help_the_lord]

This is for Jewish Christians 7th day adventists and Jews only. Nothing against all the others but since you guys already don't keep the Sabbath this thread would be like asking a clown how he would feel if he got to wear big pants and face paint. I just got a new job that I'm excited about. However when I was told the scheduling by my boss he said the company policy is that of a rolling schedule.. your off days very each wee in a 3 week cycle not every week will result in me having the sabbath off.



I knew I was going to get this job before I ever even applied. I've had many dreams about future events coming true, usually though it takes something happening to spark my memory of the dreams. In this case my mother mentioned to me why not try to get a job at the place. This sparked memorys I had of working there, afterwords I went into 4 of them the next day until I was finally hired on the spot. I remember God telling me I was going to have to sacrafice working on Saturdays for a while to do this job, but it was going to be extremely helpful in aquiring the skills I need for my final career. He also told me something else that was going to happen regarding satan tricking me into putting honey on my face and me having a bad reaction of acne from it after I had finally gotten clear. Right after getting this job. Then telling me I was cure all of that with lemon and aloe vera. The honey thing has already came to pass so I'm quite certain the rest will. In fact he gave me some dreams showing me what would happen if I requested saturdays off.. They showed other employees becoming hostile twoards me because they felt I was being given special treatment. It finally results in them firing me for a non-sensical reason to save peace within the store. I guess this thread really isn't so much a is this ok type of thing since I know God told me it'd be fine. It's more like, whats the first thing that comes to your mind after first reading the non underlined part.. and then reading this part of it.


I went in today to start the job and decided the inflexibility of the job to allow me to have saturdays off coupled with the unethical tatics of some ppl I was going to be working with allowed me the ability to happily quit the job I just started today. Now heres where it gets interesting.. I was told by God the job thing was going to be some sort of test, but I thought it had to do with some girl that was there that I was supposed to not date her despite her tempting me or something. Anyways it turned out the whole thing was a test to see if I would walk away. Anyways back to where this gets interesting I wanted this job to start with to suppliment my alarm system job because i wasn't selling a ton of systems well hardly any at all. I wasn't going to quit selling systems entirely though because God has made it clear to me i'll own an alarm company one day and i believe him. Anyways i leave and go out to try to sell some systems.. i've literally only sold 1 in 3+ weeks of trying I've probaly talked to at least a 300+ ppl. Anyways I go out today and the 4th or 5th person I talk to buys from me, she was a very nice Christian lady named Letitia. I then talked to 3 or 4 more ppl one told me she hadn't got a system yet and wanted me to come back on thursday. And then about 4 ppl later I sell another alarm system. To yet another Christian couple.. Heres where it gets really cool.. I've been reading this book called Ziglar on Selling written by a Legendary Christian Motivational Speaker/ Sales Coach Named Zig Ziglar. I have been reading this to get better at alarm systems. Anyways I have a bookmark in the book that has Yahshua on it and says "FOR WITH GOD NOTHIGN SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE." ST. LUKE 1:37... When I was leaving the second couples home i looked up and on the wall low and behold what did i see stenciled above the archway in black paint. "FOR WITH GOD NOTHIGN SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE." ST. LUKE 1:37

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

This is for Jewish Christians and Jews only. I just got a new job that I'm excited about. However when I was told the scheduling by my boss he said the company policy is that of a rolling schedule.. your off days very each wee in a 3 week cycle not every week will result in me having the sabbath off.



I knew I was going to get this job before I ever even applied. I've had many dreams about future events coming true, usually though it takes something happening to spark my memory of the dreams. In this case my mother mentioned to me why not try to get a job at the place. This sparked memorys I had of working there, afterwords I went into 4 of them the next day until I was finally hired on the spot. I remember God telling me I was going to have to sacrafice working on Saturdays for a while to do this job, but it was going to be extremely helpful in aquiring the skills I need for my final career. He also told me something else that was going to happen regarding satan tricking me into putting honey on my face and me having a bad reaction of acne from it after I had finally gotten clear. Right after getting this job. Then telling me I was cure all of that with lemon and aloe vera. The honey thing has already came to pass so I'm quite certain the rest will. In fact he gave me some dreams showing me what would happen if I requested saturdays off.. They showed other employees becoming hostile twoards me because they felt I was being given special treatment. It finally results in them firing me for a non-sensical reason to save peace within the store. I guess this thread really isn't so much a is this ok type of thing since I know God told me it'd be fine. It's more like, whats the first thing that comes to your mind after first reading the non underlined part.. and then reading this part of it.

What is the job?

 

[help_the_lord]

What is the job?

A comissioned sales position. God told me I'm going to own an Alarm company (An ADT dealership). Presently I do sales for an ADT dealership and am struggling quite a bit. This new job will provide me with full sales training as part of the benefit of being hired there. Which will not only dramatically increase my abilitys boosting my alarm sales *which I will still be doing part time*, it will also boost my people skills to new heights. I've found thus far that the more sales training I get *this is not my first sales job* the better I get at witnessing. The job will also be providing me with full benefits which is important to me since I haven't had them in over 6 years and am in dire need of some dental work.

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

A comissioned sales position. God told me I'm going to own an Alarm company ...

"To the Law and to the Testimony..."

Please listen. God will not tell you it is ok, by any means [vision, angel, prophet, direct contact, etc], to transgress His 4th Commandment, not even for a single moment. That would make God the author of sin, the very thing which he hates [Psalms 97:10; Proverbs 6:16-23; Jeremiah 44:4]. Christ Jesus died for our sins, to save us "from" them, not so we can in spite of His Grace sin more.

The work described, as a "comissioned sales person...alarm company" is "common" and not "holy".

It clearly violates the 4th Commandment. As you are a messianic, this should be known already.

Please consider the following.

Evil spirits [devils] can come in the night:

In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on men, Job 4:13

Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake. Job 4:14

Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up: Job 4:15

It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image [was] before mine eyes, [there was] silence, and I heard a voice, [saying], Job 4:16

Even Satan himself can approach, and he does not have to frighten, he does not have to appear hideous, for he is outwardly beautiful to behold:

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

We are asked to test the spirits:

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1

Please do not allow yourself to be deceived by believing that God will contradict His word.

Whomever has given you permission in the "night season" to work occasionally on the Sabbath was not from God.

False prophets [spirits] may even predict the future, but if they turn you away from Keeping the Commandments of God, they are wicked, evil, false spirits:

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, Deuteronomy 13:1

And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Deuteronomy 13:2

Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 13:3

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Deuteronomy 13:4

And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. Deuteronomy 13:5

Please consider these words. God speaks to us through His Word, and the Holy Spirit will not contradict this Word, for "He speaks what He Hears". If you truly want to know, then you shall know of the doctrine. Ask God in prayer, study the scriptures, and do not go counter to the known will of God. You will find that the visions and voice are from and false and lying spirit who is asking you to directly transgress the commandments of God. Ask God to remove the temptation from you and the evil spirit. He will take it away from you. Ask Him instead for the Holy Spirit to guide you into all Truth, and He will. Thy Word is Truth, all thy Commandments are Truth, thy Law is the Truth, The Holy Spirit is Truth, Jesus is the Truth, etc...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

This is for Jewish Christians 7th day adventists and Jews only. Nothing against all the others but since you guys already don't keep the Sabbath this thread would be like asking a clown how he would feel if he got to wear big pants and face paint. I just got a new job that I'm excited about. However when I was told the scheduling by my boss he said the company policy is that of a rolling schedule.. your off days very each wee in a 3 week cycle not every week will result in me having the sabbath off.



I knew I was going to get this job before I ever even applied. I've had many dreams about future events coming true, usually though it takes something happening to spark my memory of the dreams. In this case my mother mentioned to me why not try to get a job at the place. This sparked memorys I had of working there, afterwords I went into 4 of them the next day until I was finally hired on the spot. I remember God telling me I was going to have to sacrafice working on Saturdays for a while to do this job, but it was going to be extremely helpful in aquiring the skills I need for my final career. He also told me something else that was going to happen regarding satan tricking me into putting honey on my face and me having a bad reaction of acne from it after I had finally gotten clear. Right after getting this job. Then telling me I was cure all of that with lemon and aloe vera. The honey thing has already came to pass so I'm quite certain the rest will. In fact he gave me some dreams showing me what would happen if I requested saturdays off.. They showed other employees becoming hostile twoards me because they felt I was being given special treatment. It finally results in them firing me for a non-sensical reason to save peace within the store. I guess this thread really isn't so much a is this ok type of thing since I know God told me it'd be fine. It's more like, whats the first thing that comes to your mind after first reading the non underlined part.. and then reading this part of it.

I have to agree 100% with Rev14...

If you were told in a dream to violate any of the other Commandments for temporal gain, would you embrace it or run from it?

If sleeping with another mans wife would propel your career forward, would you do it? Would you falsely accuse a co-worker to get ahead? Would you steal company secrets to give to another company to land your dream job?
Would you deny God for wordly gain....?

 

[k4c]

A comissioned sales position. God told me I'm going to own an Alarm company (An ADT dealership). Presently I do sales for an ADT dealership and am struggling quite a bit. This new job will provide me with full sales training as part of the benefit of being hired there. Which will not only dramatically increase my abilitys boosting my alarm sales *which I will still be doing part time*, it will also boost my people skills to new heights. I've found thus far that the more sales training I get *this is not my first sales job* the better I get at witnessing. The job will also be providing me with full benefits which is important to me since I haven't had them in over 6 years and am in dire need of some dental work.

First of all, God loves us more than we can fully understand whether we keep the Sabbath or not. Keeping the Sabbath is an expression of our love towards God, not God's love towards us.

Secondly, we have to be careful using old testament guidelines for Sabbath keeping. Sabbath keeping for new covenant Christians fall under the teachings of Jesus.

Thirdly, the Sabbath must first be understood and kept in the heart first before any outward manifestation has any value to both God and man.

Fourthly, Jesus esteemed the necessary needs of people before the outward keeping of the Sabbath. If your job is a necessity as in emergency services or supporting your family then God understands just do the best you can in your job and raising your family so that God can be glorified.

Fifthly, be open to the Spirit leading in whatever to do on the Sabbath, as well as, any other day because God loves us and always wants what's best for us and our families.

 

[help_the_lord]

"To the Law and to the Testimony..."

Please listen. God will not tell you it is ok, by any means [vision, angel, prophet, direct contact, etc], to transgress His 4th Commandment, not even for a single moment. That would make God the author of sin, the very thing which he hates [Psalms 97:10; Proverbs 6:16-23; Jeremiah 44:4]. Christ Jesus died for our sins, to save us "from" them, not so we can in spite of His Grace sin more.

The work described, as a "comissioned sales person...alarm company" is "common" and not "holy".

It clearly violates the 4th Commandment. As you are a messianic, this should be known already.

Please consider the following.

Evil spirits [devils] can come in the night:

In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on men, Job 4:13

Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake. Job 4:14

Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up: Job 4:15

It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image [was] before mine eyes, [there was] silence, and I heard a voice, [saying], Job 4:16

Even Satan himself can approach, and he does not have to frighten, he does not have to appear hideous, for he is outwardly beautiful to behold:

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

We are asked to test the spirits:

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1

Please do not allow yourself to be deceived by believing that God will contradict His word.

Whomever has given you permission in the "night season" to work occasionally on the Sabbath was not from God.

False prophets [spirits] may even predict the future, but if they turn you away from Keeping the Commandments of God, they are wicked, evil, false spirits:

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, Deuteronomy 13:1

And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Deuteronomy 13:2

Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 13:3

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Deuteronomy 13:4

And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. Deuteronomy 13:5

Please consider these words. God speaks to us through His Word, and the Holy Spirit will not contradict this Word, for "He speaks what He Hears". If you truly want to know, then you shall know of the doctrine. Ask God in prayer, study the scriptures, and do not go counter to the known will of God. You will find that the visions and voice are from and false and lying spirit who is asking you to directly transgress the commandments of God. Ask God to remove the temptation from you and the evil spirit. He will take it away from you. Ask Him instead for the Holy Spirit to guide you into all Truth, and He will. Thy Word is Truth, all thy Commandments are Truth, thy Law is the Truth, The Holy Spirit is Truth, Jesus is the Truth, etc...

Let me ask you this.. If I'm learning how to deal with people in a more perfect way, intent on using this knowledge to futher the kingdom of God through a more perfect witness, am I doing good? If I'm at this job saving up money to pay debts to relatives who are in dire need of money, am I doing good? If I'm at the job generating savings for a wedding for the women I love and to provide her with a house and a stable life, not only for her but for our children; not because I have to but because I love her and want her to be happy am I doing good? Now let me ask you another question, is it ok to do good on the Sabbath even if it would seem to break the laws of keeping it?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Let me ask you this.. If I'm learning how to deal with people in a more perfect way, intent on using this knowledge to futher the kingdom of God through a more perfect witness, am I doing good? If I'm at this job saving up money to pay debts to relatives who are in dire need of money, am I doing good? If I'm at the job generating savings for a wedding for the women I love and to provide her with a house and a stable life, not only for her but for our children; not because I have to but because I love her and want her to be happy am I doing good? Now let me ask you another question, is it ok to do good on the Sabbath even if it would seem to break the laws of keeping it?

We can always justify breaking God's law if we want...

As K4C said, obedience needs to come from love, not obligation... if you don't understand that by keeping His Law you are expressing your love for Him, then your reasons for a keeping any of the Commandments are wrongly motivated.

Does a man remain faithful to his wife because of the punishment incurred if he doesn't (divorce) or because he loves her? If the former, then he never loved her anyway, if the latter then it wouldn't matter if there was a consequence for the action or not...

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

Let me ask you this.. If I'm learning how to deal with people in a more perfect way, intent on using this knowledge to futher the kingdom of God through a more perfect witness, am I doing good? If I'm at this job saving up money to pay debts to relatives who are in dire need of money, am I doing good? If I'm at the job generating savings for a wedding for the women I love and to provide her with a house and a stable life, not only for her but for our children; not because I have to but because I love her and want her to be happy am I doing good? Now let me ask you another question, is it ok to do good on the Sabbath even if it would seem to break the laws of keeping it?

No, it is not "doing good", it is a "lie", "self-deception", it is an attempt at excusing sin [transgression of the law; 1 John 3:4] to suit one's self, all in the guise, the false appearance of "doing good" and yet transgress the Commandments of God, this subject dealing directly with the 4th Commandment.

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin. James 4:17

For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law. Proverbs 4:2

Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Romans 7:12

And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22

The excuses given, are placing oneself and family above God and His Law of Love. If one was to really "do good" and Honour Him, then one would obey Him in His Commandment [John 14:15; Exodus 20:6]. The Lord will provide, have faith in Him.

[As for] God, his way [is] perfect; the word of the LORD [is] tried: he [is] a buckler to all them that trust in him. 2 Samuel 22:31

[As for] God, his way [is] perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he [is] a buckler to all those that trust in him. Psalms 18:30

The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. Psalms 34:22

Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Proverbs 30:5

Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring [it] to pass. Psalms 37:5

etc.

The last question asked is not the same as the excuses given before it. This is why the first question I asked was, "What is the job?"

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7

As for the excuses given, instead of trying to work one's way out of problems by one's self [paying off anothers debt, etc], why not keep God's Commandments and ask Him in Prayer for help in time of need?

As for another excuse, of being a better "witness" and being able to share, the "perfect witness" is to be obedient to God and His Commandments, and stand for Him though the Heavens fall, and say, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." This is the powerful witness that cannot be gainsayed. A life in atonement with God. For to think that one may attempt to witness to others for God about Him while knowingly transgressing is to bring shame and not glory to His name. Satan then gains the victory, he gains the glory.

To further the Kingdom of God is obedience through the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ clearly gives example of the differences between the common/profane and the Holy, especially in regards to His Sabbath.

How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Matthew 12:12

Notice the words "lawful" and "well".

The word "well" in the Greek is "Kalos" meaning "morally good". It must be in harmony with the 4th Commandment [a moral spiritual law], and it must be in the Keeping of the Holiness of the 7th Day.

This question was already addressed here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7561463-2/#post57571141

It is interesting to note in the scriptures in particular that it was always the Pharisees, lawyers, scribes [they who were transgressing the Commandments of God, for their "traditions" and man made excuses, Corban] which tested Jesus on the question of what was "doing good" on the Sabbath days...

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

How important is keeping the Sabbath to you?

 

[help_the_lord]

wow what a day everyone who posted origionally should read my update found in my first post its mind blowing

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It appears that God is blessing your right decision to quit a job that would have you disobey God... remember, God never promised us prosperity or an easy life, make sure you keep depositing your treasures where it counts...

 

[help_the_lord]

It appears that God is blessing your right decision to quit a job that would have you disobey God... remember, God never promised us prosperity or an easy life, make sure you keep depositing your treasures where it counts...

No doubt, I couldn't remember exactly what God told me about the job since it was over 2 years ago when he mentioned it. All i remembered was something about sataurdays and a test. The dreams I had were mixed and lead me to believe the test was about a women who worked there. Guess not lol.