A Question on Adventism

[k4c]

Your explanation leads me to believe that you're telling me you're incapable of godly love. If you were to review the earlier posts in this thread, you will find that by your responses your concession that you have violated two of the ten commandments. You haven't complied with the ten commandments, and you link that as a requisite to love. You haven't complied with that requisite yourself.

This is an excellent example that Paul draws on himself in Romans 7.

1 ¶ Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another----to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

Paul equates marriage to the law at the same time as marriage to Jesus Christ with adultery. It has been your consistent testimony that you're still bound to the first covenant dictated at Sinai, all the while making the claim that you also belong to Jesus Christ. This is adultery.

In the immediate verses following this quote, Paul tells us that we have been delivered from the law, and then identified that law as the ten commandments using the quote "You shall not covet" found nowhere else in the law. Instead of abiding by the eight commandments, you have now reduced them to seven. You prove over and over that you are no better than everyone else that God has concluded disobedient to the first covenant when Romans 11:32 states "God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all".

1 John 4:19 states that "We love him, because he first loved us". John doesn't make the first covenant a requisite to love god, as you have.

She is free to marry another means the marriage law is still a valid rule for a man and a woman. I agree that she is free from that which bound her to the first marriage because her husband died but not free from the marriage law altogether. In other words, she would still have to get married to another man or she would be committing adultery with him. In the same way we are free from the condemning power of the Law under the first covenant but not the Law itself, it's still wrong to violate the Ten Commandments and it's still right to obey them.

Now you need to stop ignoring all the NT verses that speak of the Ten Commandments as being alive and well.

 

[k4c]

I don't want you to avert the subject you introduced. Is it your contention that you're unable to love anyone because you haven't complied with the Sinai covenant?

Godly love is defined by God's Law. If a man and woman love each other and have a sexual relation is that a godly love or an ungodly love? If God says worshiping idols means you hate Him is that a godly love if you worship idols.

Exodus 20:4-5 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Help me out here because this is way too simple.

 

[VictorC]

She is free to marry another means the marriage law is still a valid rule for a man and a woman. I agree that she is free from that which bound her to the first marriage because her husband died but not free from the marriage law altogether. In other words, she would still have to get married to another man or she would be committing adultery with him.

Why then are you bound to the dead corpse of the law and continue committing adultery by claiming two husbands?

In the same way we are free from the condemning power of the Law under the first covenant but not the Law itself, it's still wrong to violate the Ten Commandments and it's still right to obey them.

Why can't you read the posts directed to you? The point has been established that you don't obey the ten commandments.

Now you need to stop ignoring all the NT verses that speak of the Ten Commandments as being alive and well.

You could well be charged for ignoring the commandments of God by failing to cast out the covenant from Sinai.

 

[VictorC]

Godly love is defined by God's Law.

This remains a thesis you have no support for.

If a man and woman love each other and have a sexual relation is that a godly love or an ungodly love? If God says worshiping idols means you hate Him is that a godly love if you worship idols.

Remember that the brazen serpent God had Moses erect (Numbers 21:8) had itself become an idol (2 Kings 18:4), and was taken down. You have done the same thing with the first covenant dictated at Sinai, and have "changed the truth of God into the lie, and worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, who is blessed forever" (Romans 1:25 LIT).

 

[VictorC]

Must every thread end up obsessing about "the law?"

Would you agree it indicates highjacking the threads on the progressive forum by someone of the traditionalist persuasion?

 

[k4c]

Why then are you bound to the dead corpse of the law and continue committing adultery by claiming two husbands?

Why can't you read the posts directed to you? The point has been established that you don't obey the ten commandments.

You could well be charged for ignoring the commandments of God by failing to cast out the covenant from Sinai.

I'm married to Jesus and because He removed the curse of being under the old covenant I am now free to obey God without fear of condemnation.

 

[VictorC]

I'm married to Jesus and because He removed the curse of being under the old covenant I am now free to obey God without fear of condemnation.

Realize that your testimony is inconsistent with your actions, and that you have violated 4 of the ten commandments in this thread alone.

 

[StormyOne]

Would you agree it indicates highjacking the threads on the progressive forum by someone of the traditionalist persuasion?

Yes... I would agree 100% with your observation...

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Must every thread end up obsessing about "the law?"

It does seem so. I've tried redirecting this thread back to the stated purpose, but I haven't really been successful.

BFA

 

[Cribstyl]

Keeping the Ten Commandments will manifest in our lives as righteousness and love. Sometimes the love part is missing as seen in the Pharasees and the rich young ruler. Jesus tested the young ruler in both areas by asking him about the Ten Commandments. The young rule failed the love side of the Ten Commandements because how can anyone, who has so much money, seeing all the need around them do nothing to help and say they love their neighbor.

This appears as another questionable view of the scriptures.

Well, here is my understanding of those text as written in 3 of the 4gospels.......
The narrative does not convey that the rich young rules did not love his neighbor or fell short on violating any of the 10 commandment. (on the contrary)

It was the rich young ruler who asked Jesus ; What shall I do to obtain eternal life?

The reason Jesus ask him to give his wealth to the poor was in order for a career change that would lead him to eternal life; "follow me".
Christ was calling this man to forget the cares that wealth brings on earth and start building eternal wealth by following Him.
Christ told him directly "desolve your empire and give the money to the poor, that will earn you treasures in heaven," but following Christ is what will earn you eternal life."

The lesson goes on to teach us about how the hard it is for a rich man to enter God's kingdom because the rich man is more occupied with his own business and not God's.


Your commentary caused you to judge a man who claims to love his neighbor and keep all the law as a failure.... The texts prove that following Jesus is necessary for eternal life.

 

[Laodicean]

Victor and BFA, I will copy and paste your replies here over to the Glad Tidings thread in order to not divert from the original topic of this thread any longer. See you over there in a bit.