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Says the guy ignoring every single cited textbook I’ve quoted and is going against basic, middle school level biology and refuses to acknowledge that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization.And yet you are willing to establish your ethics based on this understanding of souls.
But if that's the case, then you're writing off everyone conceived from rape as a future rapist. Roughly half the time, the baby will be female, and while a particularly dedicated woman could rape someone, that is highly unlikely. In the case of boys, there are still boys who are born of rape who themselves do not rape. Therefore, preemptive abortion would be killing a lot of babies who wouldn't rape anyway. Also, by the time the male parts form in the womb, the baby can feel pain already, so if you wanted to reduce it to all males, you wouldn't be able to do it painlessly. And then of course, there's the moral problem of killing someone who hasn't done anything wrong yet, based on the fear that he or she might do something wrong. I cannot justify that.I only propose that even if genetics only weighed in as a 1% influence over rapes, that is 1% too many, and should be taken into account in circumstances where the mother may die and the embryo is still non sentient without the experience of pain or suffering.
I'm so terribly sorry for your loss. I can't imagine how difficult that decision was for the two of you. God bless you both.Having had to live through a similar experience, i can answer on what we believed was the will of god.
first off, abortion is wrong no matter what.
my wife experienced a tubal pregnancy. The doctors told us ( and we went to a catholic hospital) that there was no technology to move the baby to the womb and if we didn't act, the baby would rupture my wife and if not given medical attention both would die .
So no matter what we had to choose- let both die or let just one die. those were our only options unless god would give a strong word from someone that the baby woud be miracuously moved.
We opted for teh abortion and mourned for the baby that we had to give up so my wife could live.
Having said that, what conditions in your scenario would cause your wife to have a high probability of death by giving birth? There are C-sections before the terminus time wherew both wife and baby can live, so what is the missing condition ?
Says the guy ignoring every single cited textbook I’ve quoted and is going against basic, middle school level biology and refuses to acknowledge that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization.
But if that's the case, then you're writing off everyone conceived from rape as a future rapist. Roughly half the time, the baby will be female, and while a particularly dedicated woman could rape someone, that is highly unlikely. In the case of boys, there are still boys who are born of rape who themselves do not rape. Therefore, preemptive abortion would be killing a lot of babies who wouldn't rape anyway. Also, by the time the male parts form in the womb, the baby can feel pain already, so if you wanted to reduce it to all males, you wouldn't be able to do it painlessly. And then of course, there's the moral problem of killing someone who hasn't done anything wrong yet, based on the fear that he or she might do something wrong. I cannot justify that.
To me, the only justification for an abortion is if carrying the baby to term is very likely to either kill her, or allow something else to kill her. Part of being pro-life to me means that when two lives are going to end, save them both if you can, and save one if you can't save two. Therefore, if she is highly likely to die if she tries to carry the baby to term, that's good enough reason to do what is necessary to save her life. The rape doesn't need to be added as a bonus motivation to abort.It's not my argument to say that all babies of rapists will be rapists.
I'm simply saying that it is an additional factor to consider on top of a mother's health being jeapordised, and on top of it not being God's will but Satan's will to compell a rapist to begin with, on top of the fact that an embryo feels no pain etc.
One would second guess that, but it wouldn't be justified. The moral way to handle that is to make sure that baby grows up in a loving and stable home and doesn't have problems at school, and has access to good psychiatric care early on so that he isn't as likely to commit rape in the first place.And imagine if a rapists baby did one day commit another rape? One would have to second guess if the abortion would have been, in practical terms, the more moral decision.
So you say. I see no rationality in the claim that some human beings have less intrinsic value than other human beings; in fact, that is a perniciously evil idea.This is all subjective.
That's the way God created the world, yes. Take it up with him if you don't like it.Humans have intrinsic value greater than other animals because that's just the way it is?
It's obvious that you're not listening.Lower animals don't have souls?
@KomatiiteBIF
Let's talk about what life is first before we go on to discuss the various types of life and their values.
Sounds to me like you're still running with the cookie baking analogy. As if the new embryo is a blob of tissue or 'dough' that is being mixed and formed by other forces.
But "who" is making the cookie? "Who" is following the recipe? That would have to be the agent that has those instructions. Does the mother or her womb have those instructions? What about species such as some fish whose eggs fertilize externally? No, the instructions are the DNA in the embryo itself. The embryo is a newly formed agent which is proactively developing itself as described in the definition of life.
All forms of life have dependencies. None of us can truly sustain ourselves with nothing from outside. We all need to eat and in many cases also need some kind of protection from the elements in order to survive. We all make the effort to procure our food and resources from our surrounding environment, at all stages of growth and development from fertilization to birth to death. God gives food to all creatures in its season, we do well to know Who supplies our daily bread.
But the embryo has different DNA, different instructions than its parents individually, therefore it is new, and its holding and using of its own instructions means it is life - ergo, new life. Life is life, and it begins at conception, whatever species that life may be.
@KomatiiteBIF
But the embryo has different DNA, different instructions than its parents individually, therefore it is new, and its holding and using of its own instructions means it is life - ergo, new life. Life is life, and it begins at conception, whatever species that life may be.
Correct, and we come into existence at fertilization. This is basic, middle school level biology.People don't exist eternally, But rather we are created and come into existence.
We do, and at this point unless you can provide some sort of supporting evidence beyond “because I said so”, I think I’ll take the dozens of resources I’ve provided as more informed and authoritative than your seemingly uneducated opinion.No, We don't come into existence at fertilization
The zygote that results from fertilization is a new, unique, individual human being that previously did not exist. This is basic biology.something coming into existence should not be confused with something changing form from something already exists.
A sperm contains 23 chromosomes, and an egg contains 23 chromosomes, at fertilization, a new organism containing 46 chromosomes comes into existence that develops over a 25 year period.When it comes to DNA joining between the egg and the sperm, This matter, this DNA, existed and has simply been reformed at conception. This isn't creation, This is the rearrangement of things that God has already created.
We do, and at this point unless you can provide some sort of supporting evidence beyond “because I said so”, I think I’ll take the dozens of resources I’ve provided as more informed and authoritative than your seemingly uneducated opinion.
The zygote that results from fertilization is a new, unique, individual human being that previously did not exist. This is basic biology.
A sperm contains 23 chromosomes, and an egg contains 23 chromosomes, at fertilization, a new organism containing 46 chromosomes comes into existence that develops over a 25 year period.
Your continual denial of basic biology and use of false analogies isn’t helping you establish anything.
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