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Nope, wrong. Try again.
Again, this is simply an argument from ignorance. The fossil record is going to be incomplete by its nature. Yet we keep filling it in. If the theory of evolution was wrong don't you think we would find fossils that tell us it is wrong? Instead every new fossil that we find fits the evolutionary paradigm. The "gaps" between fossils keeps getting smaller and smaller. The gaps where the god of the gaps can hide are slowly disappearing.
I am in the process of correcting you. You do not ask the right questions.If I made false assumptions, which was that?
The phoenix project is worked through labs all over the world.
Anticipated by thousands of scientists.
They have reconstructed couple of retrovirusses found in our junk DNA. They cause mutations such as cancer. The first phoenix virus is based on murine leukemia virus. Anything to correct?
If I made false assumptions, why are you not correcting them?
AIDS is an ERV friend. Known to be since 2009, and it got quite interesting since Finlay got pushing in the cancer field as well.
If we are going to discuss this... we are finished and you may call me the ignorant afterwards. Frankly I wouldn't care, but be thankful for the remaining time
You have not heard of Finlay's work, or you would have not been denying the leukemia part as well.
Why is it quite complete with humanoids?
Quite complete with horses?
It isn't about the gaps, it's about making gaps. If you are related to tiktaalik, and there's nothing to back that up. That's the same as holding up your bible.
I ask the Christian with his bible: where is your God?
I ask the scientist with the tiktaalik: how is that fossil related to us?
After all answers gone through? It remains wishful thinking.
No, I called the mutations I listed beneficial. None of them causes cancer. What the heck are you talking about?So you call cancer a benficial mutation?
A few points. First, the "Phoenix project" isn't a thing. Second, the Phoenix system isn't a virus; it's a system of cells that produce viruses. Third, the virus involved isn't an ERV. It's an human-engineered viral delivery system, based on a retrovirus. Retroviruses are also not ERVs (although they can, on occasion, turn into them). The Phoenix system has nothing to do with common descent, with the evidence that ERVs provide for common descent, or with beneficial mutations, and why you brought it up continues to be a mystery.HERV's are virussen that don't cause happy mutations. However, where nature had no doctors for species, natural selection settled this otherwise.
I know beneficial mutations exists, I brought some up myself: increased bone density, increased color enhancement. But I don't see them add up to the hypotheses of our origins. The observations of phoenix is brought up by me, because that's THE HERV's they are working on. That's hot. I didnt mention HERV as proof here, it's a great observation. And we can achieve great accomplishments with that. But it does not show our origins, does it?
Sure we do (more or less -- rodents didn't become apes): in the fossil record, and in the record preserved in the genomes of modern species.We even see mutations at ring species. But we don't see a fish becoming a salamander which becomes a reptile, which becomes a bird, where others become rodent, which becomes apes, which becomes semi apes, which becomes humans. No we don't see that, do we?
No, I called the mutations I listed beneficial. None of them causes cancer. What the heck are you talking about?
So what does this then show for evolution? Isn't this more something for the medical field?A few points. First, the "Phoenix project" isn't a thing. Second, the Phoenix system isn't a virus; it's a system of cells that produce viruses. Third, the virus involved isn't an ERV. It's an human-engineered viral delivery system, based on a retrovirus. Retroviruses are also not ERVs (although they can, on occasion, turn into them). The Phoenix system has nothing to do with common descent, with the evidence that ERVs provide for common descent, or with beneficial mutations, and why you brought it up continues to be a mystery.
Sure we do (more or less -- rodents didn't become apes): in the fossil record, and in the record preserved in the genomes of modern species.
Since almost all viruses are "exogenous" no one makes a big deal about them. The "E" in ERV or even HERV stands for endogenous, and that is a very unique process.You are right, but AIDS is exogenous, E as well, so ....
Nah, not gonna taunt ya that way, AIDS isn't the same I was wrong there.
It is rare, but it does not show anyting peculiar.
The phoenix ERv's are responsible for bad mutations, agreed on that one?
When it starts undoing mutations, it's like building up a resistance. Such as farmers did with chicken pox.
Imagen no vaccin came and people died, just couple of lucky ones made it and nobody knew why.
How would the markers look like from survivers and those who died?
I've never heard of Finlay. Which Finlay do you mean? Graeme Finlay? If so, he seems to be a competent cancer biologist who's also written about the genetic evidence for common descent. If you've read his book, I think you've misunderstood it.AIDS is an ERV friend. Known to be since 2009, and it got quite interesting since Finlay got pushing in the cancer field as well.
If we are going to discuss this... we are finished and you may call me the ignorant afterwards. Frankly I wouldn't care, but be thankful for the remaining time
You have not heard of Finlay's work, or you would have not been denying the leukemia part as well.
We are talking about mutations caused by ERV's
Were you?
So what does this then show for evolution? Isn't this more something for the medical field?
Why does man evolve from rodent in less then 165 million year? While it takes 50 million years for a foot to become hooves? Time goes here and there, but isn't synchrone with the fossil record.
If the dino's got extinct somewhere 65 million years ago and Earth was so violent, how come we evolved in such a short time to such a great diversity?
Time is going off the charts, stands still, ... It goes everywhere the assumptions desire it to go.
I note that I have made a mistake. I conflated the "Phoenix virus" with an actual ERV that was rejuvenated.
That is how you handle it when you make an error. Admit it and move on. If you would like I could link an article about the revived ERV.
Since almost all viruses are "exogenous" no one makes a big deal about them. The "E" in ERV or even HERV stands for endogenous, and that is a very unique process.
Otherwise congratulations on admitting your error. It shows that you can and want to learn. That is a rarity here.
I've never heard of Finlay. Which Finlay do you mean? Graeme Finlay? If so, he seems to be a competent cancer biologist who's also written about the genetic evidence for common descent. If you've read his book, I think you've misunderstood it.
Yeah I'd like that
ThanksIf I were not too impulsive I might've learned more in the past.
I am very attracted to evolution, but take the wings of a bug.
Do you really believe it evolved from gills?
Strong arguments indicate that bugs had wings 500 mya... I find that quite profound and paradox...
It seems that you have the mistaken idea that evolution has a goal.
Actually the hoof took the whole history of life to evolve. If you want to ask why it took a certain structure to go from A to B you need to look at the environment the creature is living in. Evolution is usually caused by a changing environment. In unchanging environments there is very little evolution.
I will find that article for you.
And no, bugs are not the descendants of fish. Fish are vertebrates bugs aren't. The split occurred before fish evolved.
I didn't say evolution is religious.
I clearly stated evolution is a proven fact to me.
And may I add, I love Richard Dawkins approach explaining it to us all.
However, the fossil record is too incomplete and too abberant. DNA is gone after millions of years, so we can't trace anything there. HERVS only go back up to 5 mya so we can't even look at our common ancestor there.....
I have seen the fossils (photograph) and read the observations. What makes you related with the tiktaalik? And more important, how?
When one starts explaining this it's all fine, when we want proof we are left with assumptions and beliefs. Isn't that kinda religious? Taunting? Maybe a little, but isn't it what it is?
It takes 40 million years to shape a foot to hooves. It takes 10 millions of years for humanoids to evolve a brain sufficient to interact with nature like no other creature before.
We see it happen, ... The animations are far off, the way they animate stuff on national geographic for kids is just not supported by sufficient facts to draw pictures like that.
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