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The issue is with the atheistic approach to creation, how humanity was created from a single life form from long long ago. Not common descent, not abiogenesis, but what force, power, process, mechanism created humanity.
The issue is with the atheistic approach to creation, how humanity was created from a single life form from long long ago. Not common descent, not abiogenesis, but what force, power, process, mechanism created humanity.
One of the key developers of the "modern evolutionary synthesis" (neo-darwinism) was Theodosius Dhobzansky, who was heavily influenced by the works of Pierre Tielhard de Chardin.
Chardin believed that the universe is constantly developing towards higher levels of material complexity and consciousness. Like all committed evolutionists, he believed in a mysterious intrinsic "principle" of the universe that facilitates evolutionary progressions with time.
This is the type of 'creationism' that evolutionists believe in, and is the magical thinking found at the foundation of their belief system.
Evolution is just a flavor of pantheism, really.
Why do you think humanity is something special? It seems that you are making the logical error of special pleading.
And you did not answer my question. How is the teaching any different between the two? The approach to teaching gravity is atheistic. The approach to teaching atomic theory is atheistic. The approach to teaching of all science that I know of is atheistic. God is not invoked for any of them. So what is the big deal with the theory of evolution?
No, you are making the logical error of assuming the conclusion. The fact that at one time there were not humans and then there were does not mean they were "created". Perhaps if you used proper terminology we could discuss this since when you use your own definition of words no one know what you mean for sure. Is it the burden of using proper terminology so that we can understand your argument such an overwhelming burden?Doesn't matter how special I think humanity is, humanity didn't exist at one time, now it does. It was created somehow, somewhere, at some time. The issue is creationism.
Your question wasn't related to how, where or when humanity was created. If you wish to discuss physical science apart from creationism, there's a forum for that on this board also.
One of the key developers of the "modern evolutionary synthesis" (neo-darwinism) was Theodosius Dhobzansky, who was heavily influenced by the works of Pierre Tielhard de Chardin.
Chardin believed that the universe is constantly developing towards higher levels of material complexity and consciousness. Like all committed evolutionists, he believed in a mysterious intrinsic "principle" of the universe that facilitates evolutionary progressions with time.
This is the type of 'creationism' that evolutionists believe in, and is the magical thinking found at the foundation of their belief system.
Evolution is just a flavor of pantheism, really.
No, you are making the logical error of assuming the conclusion. The fact that at one time there were not humans and then there were does not mean they were "created".
Perhaps if you used proper terminology we could discuss this since when you use your own definition of words no one know what you mean for sure. Is it the burden of using proper terminology so that we can understand your argument such an overwhelming burden?
See, again you are using terminology incorrectly. You are either assuming the result or using poor English. Again, is it a burden that you cannot meet to argue properly?
Sure it does. Something caused the creation of humans.
cre·a·tion
krēˈāSHən/Submit
noun
1.
the action or process of bringing something into existence.
"the creation of a coalition government"
synonyms: establishment, formation, foundation, initiation, institution, inauguration, constitution;
I'm using terminology which provides explanation to concepts.
Sure it does. Something caused the creation of humans.
cre·a·tion
krēˈāSHən/Submit
noun
1.
the action or process of bringing something into existence.
"the creation of a coalition government"
synonyms: establishment, formation, foundation, initiation, institution, inauguration, constitution;
I'm using terminology which provides explanation to concepts.
Well, we have objective evidence as to how humans evolved from life forms and it remains to be seen how the first life came to be, but give it a little time, as people are working in that and making progress.
In the meantime, feel free to insert God as to the initiator of the first life on earth.
Well, we have objective evidence as to how humans evolved from life forms and it remains to be seen how the first life came to be, but give it a little time, as people are working in that and making progress.
In the meantime, feel free to insert God as to the initiator of the first life on earth.
I suppose you think that was some kind of rebuttal to what I wrote. Sorry, it's not.The very act of humanity being created from a previous life form only by naturalistic mechanism is creationism.
Well, that's 0 for 2. Did ya notice that the words "creation" and "creationism" are notably absent from the definition?The definition of Darwinism addresses the question of how humanity was created from a single life form from long long ago.
From Wikipedia.....
"all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations"
Actually, the definition for Darwinism says "developed". No "created" in there. You did read the definition you wrote, didn't you?It seems to be your position that it's "inappropriate and contrived", but in actuality it's simply recognizing the fact that humanity was created where humanity did not exist before the inherently atheistic process of Darwinist creationism created humanity.
Evidence please. Can you supply a textbook or lesson plan from a public school that states "...only, completely, totally, solely naturalistic processes..." or "...their existence is only, completely, totally, solely a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless (other than procreation) and directionless mechanism"? If you cannot, then this is a baseless assertion.You can continue with your attempt to change the issue to common descent, but the issue is going to remain the same. How was humanity created. In the classrooms today, the students are taught that they are the creation, the result, the product of only, completely, totally, solely naturalistic processes acting on a single life form from long long ago. Their creator, their existence is only, completely, totally, solely a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless (other than procreation) and directionless mechanism.
And you're continually showcasing your poor reading comprehension skills.You're continually attempting to divert the issue from creationism.
You have provided no evidence to support your tirade above nor this baseless assertion.But it is taught in school, per my post above.
This is a lie. You have been provided evidence that supports this. You say it is not evidence but provide no reasoning or counter-evidence, so the evidence stands despite your denial.Has science found evidence that humanity is totally, completely, solely, totally the creation of naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago? Not at all. Nothing. Zero.
They are not being taught a creationist theory. No mention of a god or other entity. This is a creation vs evolution site. The people espousing the hypotheses that a god was involved in the creation of humanity and all other things are called creationists. That means the atheist view of evolution is not a creationist view. Don't like that? Take it up with all the creationist websites on the web.The question is, why should they be taught a creationist theory without any evidence for the creationist theory?
They don't teach the creationist viewpoint. However, let's go out on a fragile limb and say they were teaching atheistic evolution. What would you have them replace it with?I'm pushing for the educational system to drop the creationist viewpoint of Darwinist creationism.
Another statement that you have been shown is untrue. Going for a record?You have no evidence that humanity was created only, solely, totally, completely by naturalistic mechanisms.
They are not being taught that God does not exist. The theory of evolution through mutation and natural selection is the only theory that has evidence supporting it. (Cue: "Nuh-uh")How about focusing on what's occurring even as we discuss this. The atheist agenda is taking children and teaching a Godless creationist viewpoint to them as truth, as fact, as the only creationist viewpoint allowed to be taught.
Since you don't provide cogent responses to my posts, I feel a little mockery is in order. Give me something of substance to respond to and the mockery machine will slow down.I think you're reverting to a very very common behavior seen on the forum by the Darwinist camp when they can't control the conversation. Ridicule. Mockery.
That's three in one post! Technically, they are all the same lie, but we'll give you credit for the attempt. I'm sure if you try harder you can beat the record. Plus this one is accompanied by a reiteration of your inability to comprehend simple comparisons.There's not been on whit of evidence given for the creationist view that humanity is only, totally, completely, solely the result of naturalistic mechanisms acting on a life form from long long ago.
What is very common is the attempt to respond with an effort to change the focus from that to another issue within the Darwinist worldview.
That wasn't an insult to Christianity or it's adherents. That was entirely meant for you, alone. I respect Christianity.Right. And this is respectful?.......
"Better yet, let's simply "convince" non-Christians that they need to believe on Christ. We could employ a bunch of people for just that purpose...even give them special uniforms. I like the colors scarlet and black. What d'ya think?"
No Just you. It takes a particularly incalcitrant person to bring me to this level.And this is just a mild example of the typical mockery, ridicule and personal attacks on Christians who hold a different creationist view than the atheistic creationist view.
Liked it so much, you printed it twice. Does it strike a chord in you?This isn't "mere disagreement".....
"Better yet, let's simply "convince" non-Christians that they need to believe on Christ. We could employ a bunch of people for just that purpose...even give them special uniforms. I like the colors scarlet and black. What d'ya think?"
This doesn't ring true either. You have been told that the phrase is not only incorrect and nonsensical but that it is also derisive and insulting. So, I'm gonna have to chalk this up as lie number 4. I could be wrong though and you are just not able to see when you are derisive and insulting despite being told directly.I'm sorry if some take it as an insult, it's not used insultingly, it's not used derisively, it's used to present a certain creationist viewpoint which I've explained over and over.
No, this isn't about abiogenesis. Again, this is about by what mechanism, force, power or process that created humanity from a single life form from long long ago.
Once again the logic error is assuming the result. Evolution is not creation by definition. Try to use proper English.
No, you are trying to use a common English definition and applying it to a scientific argument. That is merely a semantic trick that will fool no one.
It is a loser's ploy. You know that you cannot properly argue against evolution so you are spamming and derailing. You might as well admit defeat every time you use that term.
It developed from an ape ancestor species.Humanity existing where it never existed before is creation. How was humanity created?
No, you're denying it. Not the same thing.I'm taking the view that humanity was created by entirely, solely, completely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a life form from long long ago and questioning it.
Anyone who insists that natural selection, the weather, volcanoes and earthquakes are random should expect some mockery or at least some subdued giggles.I think you're reverting to a very very common behavior seen on the forum by the Darwinist camp when they can't control the conversation. Ridicule. Mockery.
Humanity existing where it never existed before is creation. How was humanity created?
I'm taking the view that humanity was created by entirely, solely, completely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a life form from long long ago and questioning it.
Humanity existing where it never existed before is creation. How was humanity created?
I'm taking the view that humanity was created by entirely, solely, completely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a life form from long long ago and questioning it.
I suppose you think that was some kind of rebuttal to what I wrote. Sorry, it's not.
Well, that's 0 for 2. Did ya notice that the words "creation" and "creationism" are notably absent from the definition?
Actually, the definition for Darwinism says "developed". No "created" in there. You did read the definition you wrote, didn't you?
Evidence please. Can you supply a textbook or lesson plan from a public school that states "...only, completely, totally, solely naturalistic processes..." or "...their existence is only, completely, totally, solely a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless (other than procreation) and directionless mechanism"? If you cannot, then this is a baseless assertion.
And you're continually showcasing your poor reading comprehension skills.
You have provided no evidence to support your tirade above nor this baseless assertion.
This is a lie. You have been provided evidence that supports this. You say it is not evidence but provide no reasoning or counter-evidence, so the evidence stands despite your denial.
They are not being taught a creationist theory.
No mention of a god or other entity.
This is a creation vs evolution site. The people espousing the hypotheses that a god was involved in the creation of humanity and all other things are called creationists. That means the atheist view of evolution is not a creationist view. Don't like that? Take it up with all the creationist websites on the web.
are wrong...so wrong we have to get another map.
They don't teach the creationist viewpoint. However, let's go out on a fragile limb and say they were teaching atheistic evolution. What would you have them replace it with?
Another statement that you have been shown is untrue. Going for a record?
They are not being taught that God does not exist.
The theory of evolution through mutation and natural selection is the only theory that has evidence supporting it. (Cue: "Nuh-uh")
Since you don't provide cogent responses to my posts, I feel a little mockery is in order.
Give me something of substance to respond to and the mockery machine will slow down.
That's three in one post! Technically, they are all the same lie, but we'll give you credit for the attempt. I'm sure if you try harder you can beat the record. Plus this one is accompanied by a reiteration of your inability to comprehend simple comparisons.
That wasn't an insult to Christianity or it's adherents. That was entirely meant for you, alone. I respect Christianity.
No Just you. It takes a particularly incalcitrant person to bring me to this level.
Liked it so much, you printed it twice. Does it strike a chord in you?
This doesn't ring true either. You have been told that the phrase is not only incorrect and nonsensical but that it is also derisive and insulting. So, I'm gonna have to chalk this up as lie number 4. I could be wrong though and you are just not able to see when you are derisive and insulting despite being told directly.
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