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You are of the same ilk except that you have a different authority. This may be a classic case of pot and kettle.
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You are of the same ilk except that you have a different authority. This may be a classic case of pot and kettle.I believe they feel they dont need to check...there prophet has spoken it, so its true no matter what the bible says or what context it is written in.
By saying that God never changed the sabbath, they build arguments by questions rather than "thus sayeth the prophet of God in the scriptures.
CRIB
Their arguments are commentary that uses the seventh day of creation Gen 2:1:3 and Ex 20:5-11, which really says...."You children of Israel, keep the seventh day as a sabbath rest because God rested on the seventh day."
Sheeze, You cant tell a SDA that God did not give Adam the sabbath to rest because they've been pursuaded that Adam was given the ten commandment. Their understanding seem to come from a series of questions like, How come Abaham obeyed God laws and commandment?","How come Joseph knew that adultery was a sin?
God forknew the questions we'd have about His word, this is why we can find answers to unloaded questions.
By saying that God never changed the sabbath, they build arguments by questions rather than "thus sayeth the prophet of God in the scriptures.
The sabbath cannot change, but God gave it to the COI only ( I have ask many Jewish scholars if Rabbis were ever commanded to preach it to other nations. Jews point to circumcision as the sign of those who are prosylized.)
Modern technology have made history accessable to all via the internet. The earliest apologist prove that Christians primarily did not Judiaze, but gathered for worship on Sundays (not sabbathkeeping).
The fact that Jewish Christians continued to keep the sabbath and other religious traditions is evident in the scriptures but it's not commanded to Gentiles Christian.
The Christian faith is based on what is written.
The elephant in the room is the Holy Spirit that will make sure every man will be judged by the word of God and not the reasoning abilty of man.
We can trust the bible.........It spiritual food.
CRIB
You are of the same ilk except that you have a different authority. This may be a classic case of pot and kettle.
I don't encourage such puerile behavior as dares. If you want to ask a question in a mature fashion do so and I will gladly engage you.Can you give me an example please...will you take the challenge for all to see? If I have error against the bible I'll admit. Or will you take the low road and hide and watch?
AT
Here's another one.
"They build arguments with scripture rather than notice what is expressing God everywhere you look."
Maybe we can. The question is whether we are obligated to find those quotes and are we in jeopardy if we don't.With all due respects........ I dont understand what you're saying.
Can we not find the quote of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?
CRIB
I don't encourage such puerile behavior as dares. If you want to ask a question in a mature fashion do so and I will gladly engage you.
Which particular error are you referring to? This is not a very friendly medium.Ok...kindly show me my error please.
AT
With all due respects........ I dont understand what you're saying.
Can we not find the quote of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?
CRIB
It's the only way to a life of Godliness, that man can be saved (enter the kingdom)2Pe 1:3Of course. But it's limiting instead of illuminating when it becomes the only way.
God's autobiwhat?? No man can know God!!!!God's autobiography is everywhere you look. It's continuously revealed. God's laws are inherent in God's creation.
A great example of this limitation is our preoccupation with Sabbath ownership. To whom it was given - and how it must be "kept." That is one part of a much larger conversation that could include:
1. What is the nature of the Sabbath?
2. What does the rhythm of Sabbath reveal about God?
3. Where do we see Sabbath in God's creation?
4. How do we move into relationship with Sabbath?
5. What is it we can know about Sabbath the transcends it's definition as a day of the week?
6. How does Sabbath relate to our own creative cycles.
7. If Sabbath is about gestation, what is wanting to be birthed?
The insights to these questions are everywhere, because Sabbath is fundamental.
There is a similar path of inquiry for all of the SDA 28. Instead of asking "are they true" we could be asking "what are they pointing to."
Which particular error are you referring to? This is not a very friendly medium.
I believe they feel they dont need to check...there prophet has spoken it, so its true no matter what the bible says or what context it is written in.
You are of the same ilk except that you have a different authority. This may be a classic case of pot and kettle.
Yes.Can we not find the quotes of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?
Belief in the Bible has proven to be poorly correlated with a life of Godliness.It's the only way to a life of Godliness, that man can be saved (enter the kingdom)
Much of what we know about the world doesn't have scripture to back it up.That's not gospel nor is it truth unless you have scripture to reference what you're talking about.
You've missed my point. I'm making your point much better than you are at the moment!Prove that nature discriminates one day of seven days? The nature of sabbath is artificial because it's dependant on a man to keep it. Rain falls on animals, do they keep the sabbath?
Sabbath was made for man.
Nature is inherent.
Agreed.I appreciate the dialog
Hmmm,I agree in part, but what do you understand from Jesus after His was first baptized;.... Luk 4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.Yes.
Belief in the Bible has proven to be poorly correlated with a life of Godliness.
Who said we should know everything?Much of what we know about the world doesn't have scripture to back it up.
You've missed my point. I'm making your point much better than you are at the moment!
Brother Crib Peter did not write 2 Peter.... secondly, whenever it was written the NT had not been compiled so the only scripture any NT writer was referring to was portions of the OT.... but don't let that stand in the way of you making your point..... one other thought to contemplate... most of the NT was written 40+ yrs after the events occurred.... Can you remember vividly and objectively everything you did and said 40 yrs ago?Hmmm,I agree in part, but what do you understand from Jesus after His was first baptized;.... Luk 4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
And knowing after His resurrection, Jesus told Peter....feed my sheep, feed my sheep feed my sheep. What do you think He meant?
When Peter was ready to die, his words were reasonating the wisdom of what Christ sheep needed to live. He also said that "all scriptures were not man's wisdom, but the power of God."
Why did Peter spend so much time teaching about false prophets and what they're doing today? 2Pe 2:1
Why does Peter validate Paul's epistles as given to him?
2Pe 3:15And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Who said we should know everything?
God gives us what we need to live, everythingelse cost extra
Well preach the gospel Sister, I know you got it in you.
(Lord help us to stay grounded in you. Help us to say whatever is true, whatever is honest and of good report)
CRIB
The "every" is important. Genesis tells the story of God's creative word. God spoke. Therefore, you are God's living word. And you are living in God's word.but by every word of God.[/COLOR]
Ah! I was referring to your performance in another thread in which you were less concerned with what the Bible really taught than with what you already believed. I had just read that thread and it was strange seeing you comment about those who only depend on their prophet.So what is my error?
AT
too many are content with looking at the pictures of the bike in the manual rather than getting on the bike...The "every" is important. Genesis tells the story of God's creative word. God spoke. Therefore, you are God's living word. And you are living in God's word.
This does not devalue scripture. It's purpose is to help us understand the Word. We mistake words for the Word.
Here's an analogy. I give you a bike and an operators manual so you know more about how the bike works. My intention in giving you the manual is to help you know more about the bike - not to replace the bike.
Brother Crib Peter did not write 2 Peter.... secondly, whenever it was written the NT had not been compiled so the only scripture any NT was referring to was portions of the OT.... but don't let that stand in the way of you making your point..... one other thought to contemplate... most of the NT was written 40+ yrs after the events occurred.... Can you remember vividly and objectively everything you did and said 40 yrs ago?
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