A Question For The Brave

[NeverL0ved]

It says in the New Testament that Jesus waa tempted at all points, but did not sin.

(Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.)

Now I ask myself. Isn't a sin something that starts in the mind?

Jesus says it is:

(Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart)

If thinking a wrong action is the same as committing the action itself, then Jesus couldn't be tempted to sin at any point. Because he couldn't have any sin enter his mind, even for a brief moment to choose to say no.

So how was Jesus tempted like us?

 

[Sabertooth]

A Question For The Brave

"Brave men run in my family...!" --The Paleface, 1948

So how was Jesus tempted like us?

Jesus was tempted like Adam & Eve (our ancestors) were in the Garden.

 

[NeverL0ved]

"Brave men run in my family...!" --The Paleface, 1948

Jesus was tempted like Adam & Eve (our ancestors) were in the Garden.

Except Jesus wasn't in a garden with a tree that he was told not to eat from. So in what capacity is your post true, and how does Jesus not partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil fit with his current day ministry?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It says in the New Testament that Jesus waa tempted at all points, but did not sin.

(Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.)

Now I ask myself. Isn't a sin something that starts in the mind?

Jesus says it is:

(Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart)

If thinking a wrong action is the same as committing the action itself, then Jesus couldn't be tempted to sin at any point. Because he couldn't have any sin enter his mind, even for a brief moment to choose to say no.

So how was Jesus tempted like us?

It means there were external temptations thrown his way. He wasn't tempted internally (mentally or spiritually). The devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness but Jesus didn't take the bait.

 

[Sabertooth]

So in what capacity is your post true, and how does Jesus not partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil fit with his current day ministry?

That the same person who tempted Adam & Eve tempted Him. They did not have any previous sin, either.

 

[NeverL0ved]

It means there were external temptations thrown his way. He wasn't tempted internally (mentally or spiritually). The devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness but Jesus didn't take the bait.

Then how did Jesus know he was been tempted?

 

[Aussie Pete]

It says in the New Testament that Jesus waa tempted at all points, but did not sin.

(Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.)

Now I ask myself. Isn't a sin something that starts in the mind?

Jesus says it is:

(Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart)

If thinking a wrong action is the same as committing the action itself, then Jesus couldn't be tempted to sin at any point. Because he couldn't have any sin enter his mind, even for a brief moment to choose to say no.

So how was Jesus tempted like us?

Temptation is not sin. Satan tempted Lord Jesus in the wilderness. Did Lord Jesus run the idea around in His mind then say no? I don't know. Suffice to say that He rejected the temptation. It is possible to look at a woman without lusting after her. It is not the image in our minds that is sinful, it's how we respond to the image. Sin does begin in the mind, but it can be snuffed out before it takes root.

 

[NeverL0ved]

Temptation is not sin. Satan tempted Lord Jesus in the wilderness. Did Lord Jesus run the idea around in His mind then say no? I don't know. Suffice to say that He rejected the temptation. It is possible to look at a woman without lusting after her. It is not the image in our minds that is sinful, it's how we respond to the image. Sin does begin in the mind, but it can be snuffed out before it takes root.

But Jesus was sinless, body, mind and soul.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then how did Jesus know he was been tempted?

If you were deliberately tempted by another you would know it.

 

[NeverL0ved]

If you were deliberately tempted by another you would know it.

Lets not get mixed up with semantics here. I am asking a simple question. Did Jesus battle offensive thoughts as we do? Because saying that Jesus was tempted by the Devil itself is not taking into account that we struggle with sin on a personal level.

 

[Aussie Pete]

But Jesus was sinless, body, mind and soul.

Of course. He had to be sinless. Being tempted is not sin. Satan sometimes deceives people into thinking they are the same. Absolutely not.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Then how did Jesus know he was been tempted?

Lord Jesus had a hot line to God. He did only what He saw the Father doing and said only what the Father was saying. So He was not about to take any of Satan's suggestions.

 

[solid_core]

It says in the New Testament that Jesus waa tempted at all points, but did not sin.

(Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.)

Now I ask myself. Isn't a sin something that starts in the mind?

Jesus says it is:

(Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart)

If thinking a wrong action is the same as committing the action itself, then Jesus couldn't be tempted to sin at any point. Because he couldn't have any sin enter his mind, even for a brief moment to choose to say no.

So how was Jesus tempted like us?

Mind is like railway station. You do not have to board every train that arrives.

 

[NeverL0ved]

Of course. He had to be sinless. Being tempted is not sin. Satan sometimes deceives people into thinking they are the same. Absolutely not.

Lord Jesus had a hot line to God. He did only what He saw the Father doing and said only what the Father was saying. So He was not about to take any of Satan's suggestions.

Mind is like railway station. You do not have to board every train that arrives.

So basically the answer I am receiving is Jesus had thoughts implanted in his mind by Satan, but dismissed those thoughts and thereby keeping sinless.

But my question is not about Satan implanting thoughts in our mind's, but our own choice to sin and rebel against God. If it all comes down to Jesus experiencing what Satan is tempting us with, then Jesus is still missing the other half of the human equation.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Lets not get mixed up with semantics here. I am asking a simple question. Did Jesus battle offensive thoughts as we do? Because saying that Jesus was tempted by the Devil itself is not taking into account that we struggle with sin on a personal level.

Jesus made it clear that "to think it is to do it". If he 'thought it' he would be guilty of sin. Have you ever thought to keep something you found that you know belongs to someone else? Likely your first thought is to find out who it belongs to, and to make every effort to return it.

 

[NeverL0ved]

Jesus made it clear that "to think it is to do it". If he 'thought it' he would be guilty of sin. Have you ever thought to keep something you found that you know belongs to someone else? Likely your first thought is to find out who it belongs to, and to make every effort to return it.

You know I have

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You know I have

Bless you my son.

 

[Robban]

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[OldWiseGuy]

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Good point.

 

[Robban]

Good point.

I typed out a post which normally takes some pains
in typing and passed my censor,
and then it come out as one of them,
"click to expand" bummers,

I can not be bothered to type it again.
so you Christians will have to try and hold the fort.

Hohoho.