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Of course they did.
When they were given the choice between recanting these stories or suffering torture and death, they chose the latter because their made up story was just too good.
It all makes (im)perfect sense. In the words of Tom Petty, "It don't make no difference to me, 'cause you believe what you wanna believe."
Both are there.
Weird, isn't it!?
Whew! I'd hate to break the mold!
(Actually the Bible says you won't understand, and you guys are prime examples of Its accuracy.)
I'll bet you think the Trinity is too, don't you?That's incoherent.
God ≠ Nothing ... therefore the two can exist.Either God was there or nothing was there.
Indeed it is ... for unbelievers.That's the problem, AV.
Correct ... and until you do, you won't understand anything.There is nothing to understand by your position.
I know.It's not a position that advances our understanding.
If it's edification you want ... well ... I'm going to withhold making a comment on a Biblical principle.It is a dogma that ossifies and doesn't edify.
What science is associated with the Creation week?Science strives to remove unedifying concepts because they typically form barriers to deeper understanding,
Yes ... we call those fixes "basic doctrine."... whereas fundamentalist religion fixes such concepts into place.
I'll bet you think the Trinity is too, don't you?
God ≠ Nothing ... therefore the two can exist.
Weird, isn't it?
Indeed it is ... for unbelievers.
Correct ... and until you do, you won't understand anything.
I know.
The Bible says it, that settles it.
If it's edification you want ... well ... I'm going to withhold making a comment on a Biblical principle.
But for the record, if it's edification you're after, you have to be alive in Christ for that.
QV please:If you define 'nothing' as the non-existence of everything then, notwithstanding any doubts one might have about the possibility of pure Platonic nothingness, that would preclude even God from existing.
creatio ex nihilo
The Judeo-Christian doctrine which acknowledges ABSOLUTE creation. This dogma, which distinguishes Judaism and Christianity (and perhaps Islam) from all other religious cosmologies about the "beginnings", holds that a transcendent, eternal, uncreated, self-existent God created everything that is the natural universe (and every angelic spirit) out of nothing. It differs from the Hindu idea that God created the universe out of Him/Her/Itself and from the ancient quasi-pantheistic Greek idea that creation "emanated" from God/the gods. The concept of absolute creation is extremely difficult to grasp (perhaps impossible), since it assumes that God "invented" or "thought up" matter, time, and energy and set them in motion by His own will (that is, He had NOTHING with which to create, but really created entirely NEW things which were not already pre-existent). The Church has held to this dogma (NOT a particular VERSION of this dogma, i.e. young earth creationism, old earth creationism, theistic evolution) which has never been directly challenged (and seems to even be supported) by modern science, since most physicists agree that the universe had a beginning.
Rational thinking people can rationalize and think themselves into not understanding.For rational thinking people.
I know you won't.I won't understand anything by adopting your position anyway.
As long as Mr. Dawkins is in the state he is in, I can understand why he would think that.To quote Dawkins: "One of the truly bad effects of religion is that it teaches us that it is a virtue to be satisfied with not understanding."
Wanna bet?It doesn't settle it anymore than the Koran saying something makes that something a settled matter.
Weird, isn't It?Read literally, the Bible says some pretty ridiculous stuff.
Sez you.That stuff is not only not settled, it is demonstrably wrong, poorly conceived and misguided.
Rational thinking people can rationalize and think themselves into not understanding.
As long as Mr. Dawkins is in the state he is in, I can understand why he would think that.
Wanna bet?
Weird, isn't It?
Sez you.
But we do have Bush dogs that have partially webbed toes, which allow them to swim more efficiently: Bush dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAnd you will never find a dog with fins and a blowhole.
Creatio ex nihilo says otherwise.There was no point in which there was nothing.
When God created the universe, He created it from nothing.There was something: there was God. God is not nothing.
You keep bringing Plato into the picture, and that may be a hindrance to understanding.The idea of a pure Platonic nothingness doesn't make much sense to me.
Weird, isn't it?What makes even less sense is the suggestion that not only was there pure nothingness, but that a state of pure nothingness is simultaneously compatible with the existence of something (in this case, a deity).
I inserted "supposed" so you don't have to accept common ancestry as true as part of the question.
I have given you the basic answer multiple times now.
The answer is mutations. Changes in DNA sequence can and do result in changes in phenotypic traits. The reason that humans and chimps are different is because the DNA sequence of our genomes is different. Mutations produces DNA sequences that differ from that of the parents.
I have also cited numerous papers that discuss both observed mutations in children as well as changes in traits due to mutations.
What more do you want?
Simple logic does not dictate the necessity of deities.
If I recall correctly, I asked you first. I don't know how the Earth acquired a moon. That is not my area of expertise. Yet you seem to know how it happened, so enlighten us.
Which is again, a metaphor. You could also say that the universe is a canvas on which God paints. The canvas is the universe, matter is the paint and God's brush strokes are the information. That doesn't tell me how deities create universes, it merely refurnishes the claim that they do in the form of a metaphor.
Wrong! Sickle cell anaemia is an inherited TRAIT amongst many Africans. This disease is the result of a mutation that allowed the sufferers to become resistant to malaria. Children are born with this trait that gives them a better chance of surviving.Of course mutation result in changes but not in new traits. They only alter the trait they would have gottend without he mutation. I don't u nderstand why that is so hard to see.
It does unless you have a better explanation as to how the universe came into being. If you don't likek the deity answer, present your own.
All it takes is an open mind, a little logic and a little common sense. Since matter cannot create itself out of nothing, it must have a Creator. If you don't know how it came into existence, then can you say I am wrong?
Now you said in an earlier post that God cannot come out of nothing, and I don't think I answered that. God is eternal.
Creatio ex nihilo says otherwise.
When God created the universe, He created it from nothing.
Nothing could be a pool of ... well ... nothing; inside of a box next to Him, outside His throne, down the street -- who knows?
You're assuming all was nothing and nothing was all.
You keep bringing Plato into the picture, and that may be a hindrance to understanding.
I don't know; I don't know what Plato taught -- don't really care, either.
Weird, isn't it?
So nothing was in something and located somewhere? Sounds like there wasn't nothing at all; there was a box, a throne, a street, etc.
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