A Question for Creationists

[lasthero]

For the record, all six of them are wrong.

That's nice.

 

[Davian]

For the record, all six of them are wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

293

 

[TheBear]

Indeed!!!

 

[OllieFranz]

Tell you what. You explain how an offspring can get a trait it parents did not have the gene for and I will discuss anythign you want to. I keep asking the evos this and not one has responed yet. I wonder why.

I know that I have explained this before, but not lately, and not since discovering that you are willing to acknowledge the creation of new alleles for old genes.

You have already aknowledged that mutations (and ERVs, and other means of altering DNA) can create neww alleles for existing genes. But what do you think would happen if a mutation occurred not in the middle of a gene sequence, but at the end? Genes are segments of DNA that build specific proteins. (There is the intermediate step of messenger RNA, but that does not affect my argument.)

A gene can be divided into 3-base-pair segments called codons, each codon associated with a specific amino acid, except for six. These are three "start" codons and three "stop" codons. Every gene begins with a "start" and ends with a "stop." Without the start and stop, there is no gene. If a mutation or other gene-altering event occurs on a "start" or "stop" codon, and does not result in another "start" or "stop" codon of the appropriate type, the gene is destroyed. If there is an unpaired codon of the right type a couple of codons further along the chain, then a new gene -- not just a new allele, but a new and completely different gene -- is created. Likewise, if a mutation or other event changes a non start/stop codon into a start or stop codon, the proteins built by the gene wil start or stop there instead of continuing to the pre-existing start or stop. Again, you have destroyed the old gene and created a brand new totally different gene.

 

[Davian]

293

The difference is, mine was intended to be humorous.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What evidence do you have that the God who created the universe is "incompetent"?

Isaiah 40:12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance? KJV

Seriously if you have to ask you know so little biology that you need to retake basic biology.

 

[Jb9]

Evolution is a fraud. And many people fall for it. Why? Because they teach you that when you're little in school. When you're still gullible and your mind is still developing. When you don't know much about the world and the truth that brings darkness to the light. That's when they teach you it so that boatload of false info can be embedded in your mind and be fixed deep inside your lobe so you can stick to that theory and keep sticking onto it and believing it that it becomes your "DIY truth". If your parent taught you that hitting people is right manner and a courteous way of greeting people, you're going to be hitting people every time you meet them. If your parents taught you that smoking cigarettes were perfectly safe and harmless, you're most likely going to be smoking a pack a day despite what people tell you because you grew up with the information that smoking tobacco is good for you. Same thing with evolution taught in school.
For those of you who believe in evolution, there are concrete evidence that it is a fraud. 1. So you guys believe in the "whales came from this, giraffes came from this.....etc". Well there was never a fossil found of that particular evolution. Meaning if giraffes came from alligators or whatever it is, there was never a fossil found of half giraffe and half alligator. And don't even deny this because you (referring to the ones who are evolutionist) know that too. This evidence sums it all up and is a killer evidence but I'll go on. 2. How did man first made language? (Oh this is a good one) Did some "homosapien" one day just blurt "he" and gestured to his pals that it was referring to an objective male? And then after that he made word like "doubt, play, eat, cheese, kick, love, demonstrate, articulate, suggest, money, basketball,....etc"?

 

[bhsmte]

Evolution is a fraud. And many people fall for it. Why? Because they teach you that when you're little in school. When you're still gullible and your mind is still developing. When you don't know much about the world and the truth that brings darkness to the light. That's when they teach you it so that boatload of false info can be embedded in your mind and be fixed deep inside your lobe so you can stick to that theory and keep sticking onto it and believing it that it becomes your "DIY truth". If your parent taught you that hitting people is right manner and a courteous way of greeting people, you're going to be hitting people every time you meet them. If your parents taught you that smoking cigarettes were perfectly safe and harmless, you're most likely going to be smoking a pack a day despite what people tell you because you grew up with the information that smoking tobacco is good for you. Same thing with evolution taught in school.
For those of you who believe in evolution, there are concrete evidence that it is a fraud. 1. So you guys believe in the "whales came from this, giraffes came from this.....etc". Well there was never a fossil found of that particular evolution. Meaning if giraffes came from alligators or whatever it is, there was never a fossil found of half giraffe and half alligator. And don't even deny this because you (referring to the ones who are evolutionist) know that too. This evidence sums it all up and is a killer evidence but I'll go on. 2. How did man first made language? (Oh this is a good one) Did some "homosapien" one day just blurt "he" and gestured to his pals that it was referring to an objective male? And then after that he made word like "doubt, play, eat, cheese, kick, love, demonstrate, articulate, suggest, money, basketball,....etc"?

Teach you while your still gullible?

I Believe you have evolution mixed up with something else.

 

[lasthero]

Because they teach you that when you're little in school

By the time I learned about it, I was six feet tall.

If your parent taught you that hitting people is right manner and a courteous way of greeting people, you're going to be hitting people every time you meet them.

I'd imagine you would stop after about two or three times of getting beat up for hitting someone for no reason, regardless of what your parents taught.

If your parents taught you that smoking cigarettes were perfectly safe and harmless, you're most likely going to be smoking a pack a day despite what people tell you because you grew up with the information that smoking tobacco is good for you.

I wasn't that gullible as a kid, but whatever. For some reason, inhaling fumes never seemed like a good idea to me.

. Well there was never a fossil found of that particular evolution.

What particular evolution? No one said whales came from giraffes.

Meaning if giraffes came from alligators or whatever it is, there was never a fossil found of half giraffe and half alligator.

Yeah...but no one said giraffes came from alligators. This isn't even a strawman so much as it's just...wrong.

And don't even deny this because you (referring to the ones who are evolutionist) know that too

You got us. There's no evidence that giraffes came from alligators.

How did man first made language?

An interesting question with numerous hypotheses, but one that has nothing to do with how humans evolved.

Did some "homosapien" one day just blurt "he" and gestured to his pals that it was referring to an objective male? And then after that he made word like "doubt, play, eat, cheese, kick, love, demonstrate, articulate, suggest, money, basketball,....etc"?

I seriously doubt they spoke English or had basketball or cheese back then, but whatever. Regardless, there are numerous ideas about how language began, and I could link you to some great sites on the subject. Regardless, though, it has nothing to do with biological evolution.

 

[USincognito]

Are dogs and cats the same kind?

Yes. They are both Carnivora. They're also Eutherians, Therians, Synapsida, Amniota, Terrestrial Tetrapods, etc. etc.

It seems you evos are always reluctiant to produce the evidence for wht you say. Makes me wonder why. What genetic evidence do you have that apes and humans belong to t he same kind??

ERVs
Shared broken GULOP
Chromosome 2a/2b/2

You might want to keep up with the science if you're going to avoid making statements like this that make you look ignorant and foolish.

 

[USincognito]

IOW, you have no explanation for how the moon came into being, so you try to make it a strawmen.

Actually no. In plain old, straight forward language, it's a straw man.

 

[USincognito]

Yu need to do some googling on whale evolution. Gringich said whales evolved from pakicetud a land, dog-like animal. Lasthero posted a drawing of supposed whale evolution ahd 2 dog-like creatures weer included.

You have been corrected so repeated your incorrect assertion is now a lie. Gingerich never said, asserted, averred or suggested that whales evolved from a "dog-like animal". Please stop lying about what he's saying.

Hint. That is why whales could not evolve into whales. Now go tell lasthero he is wrong.

This gibberish makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Jb9]

By the time I learned about it, I was six feet tall. I'd imagine you would stop after about two or three times of getting beat up for hitting someone for no reason, regardless of what your parents taught. I wasn't that gullible as a kid, but whatever. For some reason, inhaling fumes never seemed like a good idea to me. What particular evolution? No one said whales came from giraffes. Yeah...but no one said giraffes came from alligators. This isn't even a strawman so much as it's just...wrong. You got us. There's no evidence that giraffes came from alligators. An interesting question with numerous hypotheses, but one that has nothing to do with how humans evolved. I seriously doubt they spoke English or had basketball or cheese back then, but whatever. Regardless, there are numerous ideas about how language began, and I could link you to some great sites on the subject. Regardless, though, it has nothing to do with biological evolution.

You're answering to my analogies. Good for you for not being so gullible as a kid. So you learned about evolution when you were six feet tall which I would assume you're a grown up but still fell for evolution theory. I meant they never found fossils of an animal turning into the last stage so the middle stage of them changing. Yes language does have to do with evolution because according to evolution, homosapien were the first humans and I wonder how they say they made language. Please do send me links though.

 

[USincognito]

Dont tel me, tell Gringrich and last hero.

Since both Gingerich and lasthero are both aware of that fact I see no reason to do so. It appears you are the one who is wrong in this case.

I was trying to use a number of the minimum number of steps the evo would accept as How many steps it would take a species to evolve into a diferent species.

Which I take to mean you have no scientific justification for you specific number, it's just something you made up and are now going to stick with.

Of course the existed butg ther is no evidence they are intermediates. To say tehy are is a necessary classification.

What I did notice is that no biological evidence was presented that would allow a nose to become a blowhole. I guess he just for got. Why don't you help him out and produce that evidence. Just make sure it is biological.

Do you not consider fossils to be biological? If so, it's either a sign of your desperation or ignorance.

 

[USincognito]

Tell you what. You explain how an offspring can get a trait it parents did not have the gene for and I will discuss anythign you want to. I keep asking the evos this and not one has responed yet. I wonder why.

Mutations. If you're not even familiar with Biology 101, why are you even here discussing this issue?

 

[lasthero]

I meant they never found fossils of an animal turning into the last stage

Last stage of what? What are you talking about?

Yes language does have to do with evolution because according to evolution, homosapien were the first humans

That really depends on what you mean by 'human'. Still, no, that has nothing to do with evolution. Language isn't an inheritable trait.

Please do send me links though.

The Evolution of Languages | Exploratorium Magazine

Linguistics 201: The Origin of Language

 

[USincognito]

Evolution is a fraud. And many people fall for it. Why? Because they teach you that when you're little in school. When you're still gullible and your mind is still developing. When you don't know much about the world and the truth that brings darkness to the light. That's when they teach you it so that boatload of false info can be embedded in your mind and be fixed deep inside your lobe so you can stick to that theory and keep sticking onto it and believing it that it becomes your "DIY truth". If your parent taught you that hitting people is right manner and a courteous way of greeting people, you're going to be hitting people every time you meet them. If your parents taught you that smoking cigarettes were perfectly safe and harmless, you're most likely going to be smoking a pack a day despite what people tell you because you grew up with the information that smoking tobacco is good for you. Same thing with evolution taught in school.
For those of you who believe in evolution, there are concrete evidence that it is a fraud. 1. So you guys believe in the "whales came from this, giraffes came from this.....etc". Well there was never a fossil found of that particular evolution. Meaning if giraffes came from alligators or whatever it is, there was never a fossil found of half giraffe and half alligator. And don't even deny this because you (referring to the ones who are evolutionist) know that too. This evidence sums it all up and is a killer evidence but I'll go on. 2. How did man first made language? (Oh this is a good one) Did some "homosapien" one day just blurt "he" and gestured to his pals that it was referring to an objective male? And then after that he made word like "doubt, play, eat, cheese, kick, love, demonstrate, articulate, suggest, money, basketball,....etc"?

I have to wonder if there's a connection between Creationism and the inability to communicate effectively via the written medium. Rarely, if ever, have I seen such incoherent gibberish infused with Dunning-Kruger effect posted by evolution advocates.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Tell you what. You explain how an offspring can get a trait it parents did not have the gene for and I will discuss anythign you want to. I keep asking the evos this and not one has responed yet. I wonder why.

Mutation.
You and I and everybody has 50-150 differences in our DNA that were not present in either parent.
Recombination.
You may have a phenotypic trait which is due to a recessive gene carried by your parents which neither of them expressed.

 

[mzungu]

Are dogs and cats the same kind?

Unless you can give us a definition of "kind" then what you ask for is akin to me asking you how much does a male polka dot unicorn weigh! Creationists have no idea what science is. They try to apply pseudo scientific methodology topped with a rich serving of superstitious beliefs in the hope of refuting the world's most sound scientific theory of all time; namely ToE.