A Question for Creationists

[Archaeopteryx]

This question probably applies to a subset of Creationists, more so than all Creationists. Specifically, it applies to those who say that no amount of evidence could ever prompt them to reconsider their beliefs. This idea was captured well by Ken Ham: "The Bible says it. That settles it."

Why don't you want to know what is really happening?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why don't you want to know what is really happening?

And you epignostics do?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And you epignostics do?

Don't know what an epignostic is.

But to answer your question, yes, I do want to know what is really happening in the world.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't know what an epignostic is.

Let me try a different term then: omniscient.

But to answer your question, yes, I do want to know what is really happening in the world.

You'll never do it as an atheist.

2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Let me try a different term then: omniscient.

I don't know what you're getting at. I never claimed to be omniscient.

You'll never do it as an atheist.

Why?

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know what you're getting at. I never claimed to be omniscient.

Here is your question:

Why don't you want to know what is really happening?

You don't know what is really happening, either, do you?

If not, why?

Why?

Because the road to full knowledge (epignosis) starts with knowing Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That word knowledge is epignosis in Strong's Concordance.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you are already too smart to be a creationist.

It takes brains to be an atheist, doesn't it?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Here is your question:

You don't know what is really happening, either, do you?

If not, why?

The question was whether you want to know what is really happening, not whether you do know.

Because the road to full knowledge (epignosis) starts with knowing Jesus Christ.

How do you know that?

 

[AV1611VET]

The question was whether you want to know what is really happening,

No, it's not.

Your OP is accusatory and rude.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Then you are already too smart to be a creationist.

So why do you feel that creationists fail to be smart? What determines intelligence?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. Read it.

Your OP is accusatory and rude.

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I did preface my question by noting that it was directed to particular Creationists (i.e., those who agree with Ken Ham) and not all Creationists generally. I can appreciate how the question may seem rude from the outset, but I am just going by what I have heard some Creationists say and trying to understand the thinking behind it.

 

[Split Rock]

This question probably applies to a subset of Creationists, more so than all Creationists. Specifically, it applies to those who say that no amount of evidence could ever prompt them to reconsider their beliefs. This idea was captured well by Ken Ham: "The Bible says it. That settles it."

Why don't you want to know what is really happening?

They believe that divine revelation (the bible) trumps anything we find as far as physical evidence is concerned. Man is fallible; God is not. The problem is that even if the bible is divine revelation, it must still be interpreted by fallible men, such as themselves.

 

[mzungu]

They believe that divine revelation (the bible) trumps anything we find as far as physical evidence is concerned. Man is fallible; God is not. The problem is that even if the bible is divine revelation, it must still be interpreted by fallible men, such as themselves.

Indeed and if I may add; most creationists claim things that are not in the Bible as being from the Bible. They tend to interpret and add when Jesus specifically said: "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, it is. Read it.

No, it is not. You should know ... you wrote it.

 

[AV1611VET]

matter of personal interpretation

I wonder why signs read PRIVATE PROPERTY, KEEP OUT; instead of PERSONAL PROPERTY, KEEP OUT?

Any idea?

 

[AV1611VET]

please point out one educated person who became a creationist.

Josh McDowell, Dr. C. I. Scofield, Dr. Henry M. Morris, Mother Teresa

 

[mzungu]

I wonder why signs read PRIVATE PROPERTY, KEEP OUT; instead of PERSONAL PROPERTY, KEEP OUT?

Any idea?

Private can refer to any number of people or even an entity such as a commercial company not owned by the state or government. Personal refers to a person. My English may not be as good as yours but the Bible verse is very clear. Creationists interpret the scriptures to suit their arguments. A case in point is when asked where the waters of the deluge went; you had once replied that they were transported by God to Neptune. Now I will challenge anyone to show me where in the scriptures it says that.

 

[AV1611VET]

A case in point is when asked where the waters of the deluge went; you had once replied that they were transported by God to Neptune.

Did I say it was my opinion? a supposition? a pet theory?

You conveniently left that out didn't you? or is your memory just bad?

Now I will challenge anyone to show me where in the scriptures it says that.

And if it's not in the Scriptures, then it's not a priv... er ... personal interpretation, is it?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Even educated creationists were made creationists before they were educated, it never happens the other way around,
please point out one educated person who became a creationist. (other than those who did it to make money)

You are making unfounded and unsupported statements that you have no support for.

Anthony Flew. He was an out spoken atheist. He was probably best described as a Deist. He believed after studying about DNA that God probably did exist. That God must have created life.

P.S. He made most of his money from books against God.

 

[Naraoia]

Then you are already too smart to be a creationist.

Because taking cheap shots makes you sound terribly smart...

It takes brains to be an atheist, doesn't it?

Insofar as it takes brains to hold any belief...

I wonder why signs read PRIVATE PROPERTY, KEEP OUT; instead of PERSONAL PROPERTY, KEEP OUT?

Any idea?

You tell me, English is your language...