I have done the research. The only things we know is that, yes, early Christians were willing to die for their faith. So were Jews, Muslims, etc. Does someone willing to die for a belief make it true?
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All philosophical arguments aside, we know that Jesus Christ was a real historical figure, that He fulfilled numerous specific prophecies written and preserved hundreds of years before His life, that He died on a cross, and that He was reported to have risen from the dead and interacted with men and women who were willing to suffer horribly and die for this testimony...
Yea people, do some research.
I have done the research. The only things we know is that, yes, early Christians were willing to die for their faith. So were Jews, Muslims, etc. Does someone willing to die for a belief make it true?
Only in the case of Christ. However, that is a faith issue.
Are you speaking of Jesus himself or early Christians?
Are you speaking of Jesus himself or early Christians?
How ironic one can say "both"... Regardless, the context of martyrdom is not the same in Christianity and Islam. History is the witness of it.
and how many Jews have chosen death instead of conversion?
I don't know, 6-7 million? One Jew I definitely know was a man named Paul. So were others Peter, Andrew, Bartholomew... etc...
I am sorry but this is not logical at all. I mean if these god's had the "supposed" similar characteristics that Jesus had, why wouldn't they provide a way for everyone to know about them? Because JESUS did. We have the Bible. I cannot go to Wal-Mart or anything other store and find some other book that was provided so everyone could know it. These god's cannot explain the origins of all things like God can and still be consistent.
and how many Jews have chosen death instead of conversion?
And how many Jews killed Christians? That one's still going on- and they're killing Muslims too. See where this little tactic you're employing gets us? Nowhere, that's what. All this proves is that there have been more than a few people now and throughout history who let anger and hatred take over- and in the case of Christians- let the serious sin of murder imperil their very souls.
The fact is, anybody willing to die for a belief does it because they believe it. It does not make the belief true. That is simply faulty logic. It's an argument that sounds great on an emotional level, but fails on a logical level.
Mormons were willing to die for their belief, yet you wouldn't concede that they are correct.
Arguments should be based in logic. Discussing the prophecies claimed fulfilled would do this, but we can't do that here.
I was simply pointing out a logical flaw.
You claim someone dying for a belief makes it true, but ONLY in the case of Christians? That's a logical flaw.
We simply are not Christians because St. Paul or St. Peter died for their beliefs. We are Christians because what have done and taught us before their martyrdom.
You miss the point. You claim someone dying for a belief makes it true, but ONLY in the case of Christians? That's a logical flaw.
Bushmaster78FS said:Don't forget the regular attacks to St. Paul. How ignorant one can be by simply not acknowledging that Apostles of Christ still lived and existed during St. Paul's time and this "evil" Paul would have gotten his bottom handed to him in a platter during Council of Jerusalem due to his corrupt teachings that never talk about this Jesus??... St. John the Theologian somehow managed to battle the heresy of gnosticism but those gullible Christians man, they all fell for it when it came to St. Paul. Somehow St. Paul managed to suppress all these Apostles and their testimonies and created a myth so he could too be a martyr for it... Wow what a research what a conclusion.
Bushmaster78FS said:This looks to be another case of skeptics citing a pre-Christian religion, assuming that the post-Christian form of the religion (which we know about) has remained faithful to the pre-Christian form of the religion (which we know nothing about), and speculating that the similarities between the religion and Christianity are due to Christianity borrowing from the religion in question.
seashale76 said:I don't believe I missed your point at all. There is only one truth, which is only found in Christ. So, if a Christian were to die for their faith- then they are dying for the truth. If someone believes in something that isn't true and dies for that belief, they are only dying in vain.
I dunno about the other Deities listed, but you most certainly can go down to the book store and pick up books on Egyptian mythology, many of their sacred texts included. (Many of which still stand on tomb and temple walls, for that matter.) Of course, neither Osiris nor Horus are so similar to Jesus as many claim..
However, if you can't see the obvious failure of your argument even beyond the mythology section.. well.. I dunno what wal-mart has for books, but again if you think you can't go into a book store and pick up copies of the Bhagabad Gita (got mine at Borders!), the Quran, or any other number of holy texts.. well, what book stores are you going to? So, since I can find all these texts.. means their religions are real, right?
haha, No...I go to borders, and I find books that "people" have written "about" the religion(s). Not "a" book from the actual religion for people to live by and not be inconsistent. Because all other god(s) and religion(s) are inconsistent.
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