A Question and An Observation

[Netzari5730]

It has been said that Yeshua’s link to David as a King must be through Sh’lomoh’s line. Yoseph, Mir’yam’s husband, is from that line. However because of the Virgin Birth, Yoseph is not Yeshua’s biological father, and as such Rabbinical Judaism says that Yeshua is not a legitimate heir to that throne. But Messianics claim that the adoption of Yeshua by Yoseph makes Him a legitimate heir.

I have read somewhere:

"According to Jewish law, Yeshua was Yoseph’s son if Yoseph claimed him as such which he did. Therefore Yoseph's genealogy can legitimately be considered Yeshua's."

What references are there for or against this in Scripture or Rabbinical Teaching? (Please give me a quote as well as the Biblical or Rabbinical references).

Just an observation:

I would also like to point out, that despite the fact that one’s Jewishness and even Kingship does not come through the woman, there is a misleading thought that Mir’yam’s line doesn’t come through Sh’lomoh because the record in Lukos chapter 3 shows that she comes through Nathan, which she does. However, a close comparison to the Genealogies of Mattith’yahu and Lukos will reveal that she also comes through Sh’lomoh via Sh’al’tiyel and Zerubavel (through whom the curse of Y’hoyakhin ~ Haggai 2:20-23 ~ was lifted). And so because of Yeshua’s biological grandfather, Eliy, He biologically comes through Sh’lomoh as well.

Genealogy of Yeshua From Adam to Z’rubavel
Adam, Sheth, Enosh, Keynan, Mahalal’el, Yared, Chanokh’, M’thushelach, Lamekh’, Noach, Shem, Ar’pakh’shad, Shalach, Ever, Peleg, R’u, S’rug, Nachor, Terach, Av’raham, Yitz’chak, Yis’rael, Y’hudah, Peretz, Chetz’ron, Ram, Amminadav, Nach’shon, Sal’ma, Boaz, Oved, Yishay, David, Sh’lomoh, R’chav’am, Aviyah, Asa, Y’hoshaphat, Yoram, Achaz’yahu, Yoash, Amatz’yahu, Uzziyahu, Yotham, Achaz, Y’chiz,kiyahu, M’nasheh, Amon, Yoshiyahu, Y’choachaz, El’yakim, Y’khan’yahu, Sh’al’tiyel, Z’rubavel.

Genealogy of Yeshua from Z’rubavel ben Sh’altiyel to Yeshua via Avihud

Avihud, Av’ner, El’yakim, Azur, Tzadok, Yakhin, Elihud, El’azar, Mattan, Ya’akov, Yoseph, Yeshua (via Adoption).

Genealogy of Yeshua from Z’rubavel ben Sh’altiyel to Yeshua via Reysha
Reysha, Yochanan, Y’hudah, Yoseph, Shim’iy, Mattith’yah, Machath, Naggay, Ches’liy, Nachum, Amotz, Mattith’yah, Yoseph, Yannay, Mal’chiy, Leviy, Mattath, Eliy, Mir’yam (wife of Yoseph), Yeshua.

In Yeshua,
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[Sephania]

Interesting.

 

[Netzari5730]

no answers?

 

[D.W.]

I don't know if this helps but heres one.
Est 2:7 And he brought up Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, and the maid was fair and beautiful; whom Mordecai, when her father and mother were dead, took for his own daughter.

G-d Bless,
Dan

 

[Netzari5730]

I don't know if this helps but heres one.
Est 2:7 And he brought up Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, and the maid was fair and beautiful; whom Mordecai, when her father and mother were dead, took for his own daughter.

G-d Bless,
Dan

hmmmmmmmm...
Thanks

In Yeshua...
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[Flavius]

Moses had two sons,Gershom[Stranger]....Eliezer [son of my house]

Adopted and bloodline


Northern,Southern

Prodicle,Stay home

Rachel had 14 sons,the 14 sons of Israel.

 

[Sephania]

Flavius, where do you get 14? The most I count is 4, two of her own body, Yosef and Benyamin and two from her handmaid, Dan and Naphtali, so where are you getting the other 10 from? There are twelve tribes or thirteen if you count the Levites separatly.

 

[Flavius]

Flavius, where do you get 14? The most I count is 4, two of her own body, Yosef and Benyamin and two from her handmaid, Dan and Naphtali, so where are you getting the other 10 from? There are twelve tribes or thirteen if you count the Levites separatly.

These were the sons of Rachel who were born to Jacob,14 persons in all.

Counting Levi also Jacob had 12 sons but you are forgetting his adopted sons wich are Ephraim and Mannessah wich is called by the house of Joseph with a piece of Benjamin.

I look at it like this.

The Northern kingdom belongs to the house of Joseph and the Southern belongs to the house of David

Of course Rachel only had two children but I believe all belong to Rachel.

 

[Sephania]

No, I didn't forget anyone, I know the story quite well, B'reshit is one of my most favorite and studied books, but there is always more to learn!

But you don't think that Leah's sons count? that because Ya'akov loved Rachel more that all the sons should be considered hers?

Joseph got the double portion, not for himself but for his children. There are considered though to be 12 tribes, although different names appear on the list depending where in the Bible you look. Revelation tells us that there will be 144.000 , 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Also there are 12 gates in Yerushalayim shel Ma'ala and on those gates are written the names of the 12 tribes.

Twelve men gathered together at the gates and Boaz spoke to the kindsman redeemer that was closer than he. He did not want the land if it included Rut so Boaz redeemed it and her. When Boaz stated his intentions all the men there witnessed it by saying:

"We are witnesses. May Adonai make the woman who has come into your house like Rachel and like Le'ah, who between them built up the house of Isra'el."

 

[Flavius]

Maybe I'm reading gen 46-22 wrong but to me it looks like they are saying that all 14 belong to Rachel.

Revelations is very courious and I just don't know the answer to why they ommitted dan and Ephraim.

Maybe Dan was omitted because of his Paganism, Maybe he was ommitted because his name means judgement and that he judged Ephraim so that some of Ephraim died and some became Benjamin.sounds loopy huh?

 

[Sephania]

It also says that Bilhah, Rachels maid bore seven of them. 35:25 says that Bilhahs sons were Dan and Naphtali.

You can only get 14 if you include Joseph and include Ephraim and Mannaseh, but Joseph wasn't blessed, in his stead his two Egyptian ( half gentile) children were.

What do you make of 35:22? Did Reuben impregnate her?

 

[Flavius]

It also says that Bilhah, Rachels maid bore seven of them. 35:25 says that Bilhahs sons were Dan and Naphtali.

You can only get 14 if you include Joseph and include Ephraim and Mannaseh, but Joseph wasn't blessed, in his stead his two Egyptian ( half gentile) children were.

What do you make of 35:22? Did Reuben impregnate her?

Joseph recieved the best blessing of all in Gen.49

I don't think Reuben impregnated her,well I never gave it much thought

 

[D.W.]

Shalom,

"According to Jewish law, Yeshua was Yoseph’s son if Yoseph claimed him as such which he did. Therefore Yoseph's genealogy can legitimately be considered Yeshua's."

What references are there for or against this in Scripture or Rabbinical Teaching? (Please give me a quote as well as the Biblical or Rabbinical references).

2 Sam 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2 Sam 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

These were the seven decendants of Saul that were to be hanged.

Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 19b

R. Joshua [b. Korha] answers thee: Was it then Michal who bore them? Surely it was rather Merab who bore them! But Merab bore and Michal brought them up; therefore they were called by her name. This teaches thee that whoever brings up an orphan in his home, Scripture ascribes it to him as though he had begotten him.

G-d Bless,
Dan

 

[Netzari5730]

Shalom,

"According to Jewish law, Yeshua was Yoseph’s son if Yoseph claimed him as such which he did. Therefore Yoseph's genealogy can legitimately be considered Yeshua's."

What references are there for or against this in Scripture or Rabbinical Teaching? (Please give me a quote as well as the Biblical or Rabbinical references).

2 Sam 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2 Sam 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

These were the seven decendants of Saul that were to be hanged.

Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 19b

R. Joshua [b. Korha] answers thee: Was it then Michal who bore them? Surely it was rather Merab who bore them! But Merab bore and Michal brought them up; therefore they were called by her name. This teaches thee that whoever brings up an orphan in his home, Scripture ascribes it to him as though he had begotten him.

G-d Bless,
Dan

Thanks Dan

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730