A psychological test

[selfinflikted]

So there are no objections! According to creation God created the world! If you can adress to the bible without believeing it, Why do you see us Christians as ignorant and unenlightened even though we can adress to evolution without believing it?

Because some creationists have demonstrated time and time again that they have no idea what evolution even is.

 

[Lillen]

To adress to your point, According to you many christians do not have understanding in evolution, and your other point is that the bible do not gives understanding!

I however believe that most Christians has understanding of evolution but reject it! My notion is that they simply do not agree with it, making it obious that they percive the theory of evolution diffrent from yours! But nevertheless provides good points refuting it that you are unable to understand!

The most common thing from evolutionist side in my words, is that as soon as a Christian who believes in creation, adress to evolution you pick another definition synonomusly to your preivious defintion, making it apparant that the christians are wrong, even though they mean the same thing as all of the diffrenent defintion of evolution! It is a semantic issue...

According to Darwin, all species evolve, according to reality, 99% of the species are extinct, according to some evolutionists... making it apparant that not all species carried on their genes to the next generation, or?

 

[sfs]

All I can do is go by what I have observed, and in my experience with hundreds (at least) of creationists, almost none of them understand evolution, and usually they don't understand science as a whole. There are certainly exceptions -- Todd Wood understands evolution, and so does Kurt Wise -- but they are pretty rare.

 

[Lillen]

All I can do is go by what I have observed, and in my experience with hundreds (at least) of creationists, almost none of them understand evolution, and usually they don't understand science as a whole. There are certainly exceptions -- Todd Wood understands evolution, and so does Kurt Wise -- but they are pretty rare.

Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are wrong!

You pick the most suitable definition, that object Christians arguments against evolution, But you forget that they mean the samething as you, just useing synonomosly semantics describing the process of evolution! This time without haveing faith in it!

Remeber if i adress to you and your defintion of evolution, the next supporter of evolution will alter the semantics looking like i am wrong in my defintion.

The most common defintion of evolution man has, is survival of the fittest. Some of you disagree that this is valid, but most of the scientifical world, has this as consensus of what evolution is! Using this and refuting this from your side, is like saying "i am right and most other supporters of evolution are wrong!"

 

[MoonLancer]

To adress to your point, According to you many christians do not have understanding in evolution, and your other point is that the bible do not gives understanding!

Do you have faith God exists or do KNOW God exists. And if you know, how do you know?

I however believe that most Christians has understanding of evolution but reject it! My notion is that they simply do not agree with it, making it obious that they percive the theory of evolution diffrent from yours! But nevertheless provides good points refuting it that you are unable to understand!

actually most Christians accept evolution from what i understand. But Creationists, very few of them understand the evidence that makes evolution true. And still from that group almost all do not understand how science works. I see rebuttals like

"evolution is still just a theory"
"i am not a monkey"
"there are no transitional fossils"
"the is universe is 13.5 billion years old but was create 6000 years ago"
"dna is complex and is information thus its designed"
"a car cant evolve into a rocket, thus evolution is wrong"
"evolution is not a science"
"evolution cannot account for all the variation of life" (while at the same time) "the arc only contained kinds and afterword all the verations of creatures came from these kinds through adaptation"
"macro evolution is impossible"
"creatures can not evolve outside of its kind"
"there are barriers evolution cannot cross" (not to mention kind is never ever defined)

and on and on and on. Its ridiculous. They cant keep their story straight and almost never make demonstrable claims. and when they do, they end up being wrong. They don't understand evolution and are unwilling to do so. The are afraid to understand it.

The most common thing from evolutionist side in my words, is that as soon as a Christian who believes in creation, address to evolution you pick another definition synonomusly to your preivious defintion, making it apparant that the christians are wrong, even though they mean the same thing as all of the diffrenent defintion of evolution! It is a semantic issue...

examples please?

According to Darwin, all species evolve, according to reality, 99% of the species are extinct, according to some evolutionists... making it apparant that not all species carried on their genes to the next generation?

more or less.

 

[LOCO]

Yup. I sometimes accidentally use the term christian, when i mean creationist, but in my post i think i used both words correctly. In my post I addressed evolution and creation as the original poster seems to be separating them as opposites.


What do you believe?

thanks for the history lesson [for real]

I think the church has made these types of concessions to avoid another Martin Luther, giving people more freedom in an effort to avoid conflict.

No problem MoonLancer, I think you might be addressing Creationist Science believers. Some Christians strongly believe them to be opposites. Catholics don't.

I believe that the human body evolved over time, however the human soul did not evolve, it was not inherited from our parents like our bodies, it is specially created by God. I believe God has a hand in all creation whether we believe in creationism or evolution.

The Churches stance on Creationism and evolution have nothing to do with Martin Luther. It has always taught that believing in either does not determine whether you go to hell or heaven. Apart from not being a requirement of the faith or salvation, it's a common sense and reasonable approach.

The CC realises that man does not know everything about the origins of man, theologians or scientists. It remains a mystery and there is nothing wrong with saying or teaching that. Many facts in the past have been proven to be false with the introduction of new proven theories, scientific and technological advances.

Throughout history the Church has been linked with science, it started the first Universities through Cathedral and Monastic Schools. It is not afraid of Science.

 

[selfinflikted]

To adress to your point, According to you many christians do not have understanding in evolution, and your other point is that the bible do not gives understanding!

I'm sorry, where did I say that?

I however believe that most Christians has understanding of evolution but reject it!

You would be wrong. Most Christians worldwide accept evolution with no problem. My understanding is that it is mostly an American phenomenon to "reject" evolution (embarrassing for the rest of us Americans).

My notion is that they simply do not agree with it, making it obious that they percive the theory of evolution diffrent from yours! But nevertheless provides good points refuting it that you are unable to understand!

There are no good refutations to the ToE.

The most common thing from evolutionist side in my words, is that as soon as a Christian who believes in creation, adress to evolution you pick another definition synonomusly to your preivious defintion, making it apparant that the christians are wrong, even though they mean the same thing as all of the diffrenent defintion of evolution! It is a semantic issue...

No, it's an education issue. And a sheeple issue.

According to Darwin, all species evolve, according to reality, 99% of the species are extinct, according to some evolutionists... making it apparant that not all species carried on their genes to the next generation, or?

Definitely an education issue.

 

[Lillen]

Moreover there are species that fit in perfectly in their homeenviorment, making it unnecessary to fit in further!

 

[Hespera]

Moreover there are species that fit in perfectly in their homeenviorment, making it unnecessary to fit in further!

did you know that perfection is an ideal and as such is impossible to achieve?

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[Lillen]

My notion is that they are mislead by you if ever missinterpret the theory of evolution.. You are the ones picking source to suit your preference!!

"did you know that perfection is an ideal and as such is impossible to achieve?" according to whom? Krokodiles and sharks was an example of perfection made by a supporter of evolution!

You are right i don't have a clue of what evolution is, since you are right and all other schoolars are wrong, Evolution is not the survival of the fittest according to you... Or am i wrong?

 

[Lillen]

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To answer AV question, i took a test on the internet were I fitted in moslty with republicans. These test arent perfect and usuallt lie, i am aware of that. In sweden i vote for the christdemocrats!

 

[LinuxUser]

Do you agree that according to creation God created the world with all it's inhabitants!?

Yes

 

[cubinity]

I am a Creationist, in that I take the Biblical account of creation literally.
I am also an evolutionist, in that I believe evolution is the process being described in the Biblical account.

The thing I can't get over is that my fellow Creationists will say they read the text and take it literally, but when a fellow literalist, such as myself, uses a literal reading to unwind their speculations that don't fit with the text, they just seem to stuff their fingers in their ears and go, "LALALALA!!!"

It's outrageous! How do you put up with it?

 

[sfs]

Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are wrong!

Of course it doesn't. The fact that they don't understand evolution is what makes them not understand evolution. Most creationists don't understand population genetics, most don't understand taphonomy, most don't understand phylogenetic trees, most don't know what ERVs are, most don't know how families of LINEs are related to one another, most don't know what pseudogenes are. . . Should I go on?

You pick the most suitable definition, that object Christians arguments against evolution, But you forget that they mean the samething as you, just useing synonomosly semantics describing the process of evolution! This time without haveing faith in it!

It has nothing to do with the definition of evolution. I usually talk about "common descent" rather than evolution, just to be clear what I'm talking about. There is overwhelming evidence for common descent, that is, the idea that all species of living things are descended from common ancestors. Very few creationists understand the evidence for common descent.

The most common defintion of evolution man has, is survival of the fittest. Some of you disagree that this is valid, but most of the scientifical world, has this as consensus of what evolution is! Using this and refuting this from your side, is like saying "i am right and most other supporters of evolution are wrong!"

Very few scientists talk about "survival of the fittest". They are agreed that natural selection, which is probably what you mean by survival of the fittest, is an important part of evolution, although it is hardly the whole subject.

 

[LOCO]

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Hi Lillen,

Being uneducated doesn't mean you cannot think rationally or reason intelligently. You're entitled to your view. Sometimes the most uneducated possess that most rare gift, commonsense, whereas from personal experience, the most educated possess little commonsense.

Which reminds me of a GK Chesterton quote:


&#8220;The purpose of Compulsory Education is to deprive the common people of their commonsense.&#8221;

 

[Lillen]

Then it is up to you to clarify it for us! But scientists and supporters of evolution, to often comes with contrary claims, making it their fault we are confused!

Perfection can be achived vs perfection cannot be achived, Two contrary claims, by two supporters of evolution... And YOU are blaming us for being confused!?

Evolution is not about the survival of the fittest, vs evolution is about the survival of the fittest. Two contrary claimes made by two diffrent supporters of evolution.

You need to clarify and come in agreement for yourself what evolution says, before ever trying to convince us that it is true!

"Very few creationists understand the evidence for common descent."

Looking on a family tree, we see that human population grows the more past you come!

 

[Lillen]

We agree, we are very psychotic. But i find paranoid psychosis quite thrilling, it is like an interactive horror movie were you play the main character and everyone is out to get you... Quite exciting!

Psychosis litteraly mean dead soul... I am about to gain life again, for you christians who wants to support me, pray to God that he will breathe in life into my being once again... Because being dead is nothing we should strive for!

The theological root of psychosis is when the soul dies, but your body is alive... It can be linked to punishment for heretics, prophaning the sabbath, punishment for wiccans and other occult practicioners, but also for those being mislead into death by satan.. In my case it was my sexual immoralty that caused the holy ghost to destroy me. I was burnt at the stake 9 years ago, causing my soul to die because of my sins... But in the end i feel like the person writing the poem footsteps in the sand, God carried me in my times of need! I ended up in the burial place for devlopmental disordered, was given a snare of death, i was hunged in a tree. Moreover the i was worshipped as a devil by devil worshipper (Devil worshippers usually worship diffrent persons as the devil). I disputed with the antichrist, for four long years, i died like zacharia by the altar of a church. And as i died i was buried among the rich.

I consulted a witch that lead me into a deathcharm, A deathcharm is when a witch fool someone to allow satan to possess him or her. I share the same destiny as Goethes Faust... I allowed satan to possess me in exchange of knowledge... That wasn't very bright of me, because honestly i do not want to know, i want to have faith, i want to believe like a child does.

They held so many deathsceances over me i learnt to sing the same way as the devils do in it!

Esoreras and erosos, meaning billy goats and erotic death

 

[Insane_Duck]

Do you agree that according to creation God created the world with all it's inhabitants!?

Wait... Wait... I know... Wait... Wait... WAIT!!!!! Yes.

 

[Lillen]

What about school? it is defective - A pact of useless lies"

Human intelligence cannot be found in schools or universities... All we do there is to pick the right sources to suit our preferences... Repeting what others already have said.

Teachers enlighten me - By just repeting what it says in the schoolbook... making me repete things others already have said!

All of you are relying upon science you are relying on what someone else have already said.. Thats not the slightest bit of creativity!

Human intelligence is to hatch ideas that has a common ground, for instance - putting a feild mushroom in the middle of a pizza, used as a nuclear warhead!

 

[Lillen]

Back to the topic... Most of you do have a clue, while i don't... You can adress to creation without believing it... Can you adress to something else from the bible, without believing it? If you compell us to understand evolution, as the supporters got contrary claims confusing us, then why don't you sit down and try to understand creation and the bible... That would've been fair enough... Most of you neglect the creator of the world, arguing that it is the same thing as trying to varify unicorns. May i ask, can unicorn forgive mans sins? can they deliver the poor and fatherless from the hand of the wicked... Can they drive out a spirit of accusation? Can they give us eternal life and immortality? Out of experience God can, but not unicorns!