A proposal regarding the new prog area

[tall73]

It looks as though the new prog area will likely come about. I would like to propose that upon the move to their new home the Progressives be allowed to move the debate section with them.



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[happywiththelord]

why?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I am not sure what you mean Tall, the archives of D/D or the idea of the D/D subforum itself? The New forum will no doubt allow for debate without the extra restrictions that the D/D sub-forum here has and I don't know that the SDA's here would want to join the PMFA's (Progressive, Moderates and Former Adventists) discussion without their protection restrictions. So in that sense we could not really take the D/D subforum. And the archives are huge. It might be best to start new discussions based upon what you want to take from the archives.

 

[NightEternal]

Hmm, never thought of that. I was totally focused on the Prog area.

Well, it makes no never mind to me either way, as there will be no different sections of our new area. The whole place will be open for discussion and debate. I suppose it is just a matter of wanting to preserve the conversation threads to carry them on over there.

Is there any way we can have two copies of the D&D area, one for here and one for us.

The only problem with this is that Stormy and Senti are dead-set against carrying on remnants of the past over there with all of its dysfunction and conflict. And there is way more of that in the archives of the D&D area than the Prog area BY FAR.

 

[NightEternal]

I don't know that the SDA's here would want to join the PMFA's (Progressive, Moderates and Former Adventists) discussion without their protection restrictions.

Having the hardcore Trads come over there and continue the debates is a bad idea. We have gained nothing then. It's just setting ourselves up for more conflict and we are back where we started.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I do not consent to having any threads I've started or posts I've made being moved into the new forum.

Not ones I've made in the past, nor ones I plan to make in the future.

This new place will be your forum guys! Enjoy it and start new conversations.

I don't think you'll find too many Traditionals that want their old posts defending/discussing Adventist doctrine yanked over there to be ridiculed.

We'll be keeping a D&D section here, but I do hope we get to revisit our rules soon.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Have at the official Seventh-day Adventist doctrines over there, but please leave the people that believe it, out of it.

We want peace just as much as you guys do.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Cripes! This site is killing me.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I don't think it will matter in a new forum where they can't constantly report people for alleged violations of rules such as don't say anything against the SDA church or EGW. They wanted those rules to give them power over the conversation. They won't have that in the new forum. Nor will they have TSDA moderators to take their side.

If we want an open forum then we have to open it to all. The difference is that now there will not be the other factors which favor the narrow view. The people will have to argue from facts more then emotion and tradition without both of those things being protected as disagreements being called condescending to the SDA church.

 

[NightEternal]

If some Formers and Progs want to debate, it should be with the moderate, reasonable SDA's. The intolerant, fundamentalist Trads are not welcome as far as I am concerned, and if Tall and others want to go at it with them I hope they will do it here instead of there.

The whole point for me is to get AWAY from the hate and 'false Adventist' garbage. If that nonsense is going to come along with the old debates then I am totally against bringing the conversations over there.

 

[NightEternal]

I do not consent to having any threads I've started or posts I've made being moved into the new forum.

Not ones I've made in the past, nor ones I plan to make in the future.

This new place will be your forum guys! Enjoy it and start new conversations.

Trust, I have no interest in any threads you or anyone else have in the D&D. I will, however, be transferring my old OP's and posts from the D&D area myself though. I typed them and I want to take them with me.

Maybe I should have put a little copyright 'c' in a circle in all of my posts.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

If some Formers and Progs want to debate, it should be with the moderate, reasonable SDA's. The intolerant, fundamentalist Trads are not welcome as far as I am concerned, and if Tall and others want to go at it with them I hope they will do it here instead of there.

The whole point for me is to get AWAY from the hate and 'false Adventist' garbage. If that nonsense is going to come along with the old debates then I am totally against bringing the conversations over there.

So how would you word that in our forum statement. Do you want to list the people who cannot have conversations in the forum. Say no TSDA, no Fundamentalists, No Atheists, No Opus Dei Catholics. Where does it end? I don't think that is really necessary except I may go along with no Atheists because that really hurt Atomorrow and drove a lot of the other Christians away.

People will frequent a forum where they find useful information and or enjoy themselves, I don't think any but a few Traditionals can maintain a presence where they are outnumbered and disagreed with regularly. And if they can do that without resorting to flaming I say they should be allowed. They don't do that here in the D/D however as they frequently go to the you can't be a Christian insinuations. Even though those statements are against the CF rules, they get a way with it here frequently.

 

[tall73]

These are all factors to be considered. Who will be allowed to debate where, etc.

Whichever way it goes the conversation needs to happen.