A Pondering of the Peculiar

[AV1611VET]

Anya,

For someone who believes the authors of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were those of the same name and were not anonymous as the vast majority of scholars agree on, has obviously not taken any time to investigate the book you rely on so heavily. Your understanding of the book is based on dogma, not objective analysis.

Anya, notice his second sentence contradicts his first sentence?

The "vast majority of scholars agree on it," yet it's "objective analysis."

If it's objective, then why does it have to be agreed upon?

And for the record, bhsmte, who has this objective book?

I'm under the impression it has gone back to the Periodic Table.

 

[AV1611VET]

And how are you familiar with the properties of God and Satan? The bible, right?

It's not possible for Satan to begin writing the bible according to whom or what?

Satan has written a bible.

It's called The Preservation of Favoured Races.

He wrote its sequel too: Mein Kampf.

 

[bhsmte]

Anya, notice his second sentence contradicts his first sentence?

The "vast majority of scholars agree on it," yet it's "objective analysis."

If it's objective, then why does it have to be agreed upon?

And for the record, bhsmte, who has this objective book?

I'm under the impression it has gone back to the Periodic Table.

Simple, there is no evidence to support the authors of the four gospels were the names attached to them and there is evidence to show they are anonymous. I have posted scholarly work on this topic many times on this board, in which they give their reasoning behind their conclusions. Do your own research.

 

[CabVet]

Satan has written a bible.

It's called The Preservation of Favoured Races.

He wrote its sequel too: Mein Kampf.

Interesting how neither one of these two books mentions Satan. Want to guess how many references to Satan and the devil are in the Bible? At least 150...

 

[AV1611VET]

Simple, there is no evidence to support the authors of the four gospels were the names attached to them and there is evidence to show they are anonymous. I have posted scholarly work on this topic many times on this board, in which they give their reasoning behind their conclusions. Do your own research.

For the sake of argument ... who cares?

It is God Who wrote the Bible anyway.

And I don't know if you know this or not, but we consider the book of Hebrews to be written anonymously.

So ... um ... big deal.

In addition, we consider the books of Esther & Ruth to have been written by someone else.

You know what that means?

Research can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting how neither one of these two books mentions Satan. Want to guess how many references to Satan and the devil are in the Bible? At least 150...

So much for the Chilton Auto Repair Manual.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Anya, notice his second sentence contradicts his first sentence?

The "vast majority of scholars agree on it," yet it's "objective analysis."

If it's objective, then why does it have to be agreed upon?

Well, it is "agreed upon" because it is only disputed by those with a personal agenda and who are are not being objective. It is difficult to know how else to put it. We don't know who the authors of the gospels were. Nobody does. Not even you, AV1611VET.

And for the record, bhsmte, who has this objective book?

This is the first mention of an objective book.

I'm under the impression it has gone back to the Periodic Table.

Which is most unfortunate for you. An original gospel, signed and dated before 70AD or thereabouts, would be quite a find. Sadly we don't have anything before the second century AD. Still, that's neither here nor there really.

 

[bhsmte]

For the sake of argument ... who cares?

It is God Who wrote the Bible anyway.

And I don't know if you know this or not, but we consider the book of Hebrews to be written anonymously.

So ... um ... big deal.

In addition, we consider the books of Esther & Ruth to have been written by someone else.

You know what that means?

Research can take a hike.

Thought I would help you out AV, with scholarly resources and discussion.

And, I'm sure you don't care, but, reality is reality whether you care or not.

“Most NT scholars agree that the gospels are anonymous and that the present titles probably were not added until sometime in the second century. Because the form of the title is the same for every gospel, a title was probably given to each only after the gospels had been collected as a group of four. Then the name of a well-known person was included in the superscription of each gospel. But the superscription read,”the gospel according to,” not “the gospel by” Matthew or Mark or Luke, so the gospels as we now have them are anonymous.“ [21] (emphasis added)"

The Anonymous Four Gospels

 

[AV1611VET]

We don't know who the authors of the gospels were.

No argument there.

Just don't project your ignorance on to us.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thought I would help you out AV, with scholarly resources and discussion.

Let me again make this plain:

Research can take a hike.

And, I'm sure you don't care, but, reality is reality whether you care or not.

Right ... that's why you went out of your way to make it clear that this is the "vast majority" speaking, isn't it?

If it's so objective, it should stand on its own.

 

[bhsmte]

No argument there.

Just don't project your ignorance on to us.

When I asked Anya yesterday a few questions about the gospels she relies so heavily on, she responded that Matthew wrote the gospel with his name on it. There is ignorance abound, yes.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No argument there.

Just don't project your ignorance on to us.

By "we" I mean you as well. You don't know either.

 

[bhsmte]

Let me again make this plain:

Research can take a hike.

Right ... that's why you went out of your way to make it clear that this is the "vast majority" speaking, isn't it?

If it's so objective, it should stand on its own.

It does stand quite well, even amongst the majority of CHRISTIAN scholars and historians.

But you see, those scholars that collect their paycheck from theology institutions want to keep collecting those checks, so they go along with their institutions mission statement, which says something like; "we believe the NT is inspired by God and is error free, etc. etc..".

These handful of hard core evangelical scholars have motivation to go against the flow and the evidence, but they aren't taken seriously by their peers anyway, there are always a few oddballs in every crowd.

To use the same analogy I have before, these theological institution scholars opinions, are the equivalent of the tobacco companies using their own scientists to determine if smoking is addictive.

 

[AV1611VET]

When I asked Anya yesterday a few questions about the gospels she relies so heavily on, she responded that Matthew wrote the gospel with his name on it.

I believe he did too ... but I'm not like you guys, who strain at gnats while swallowing camels.

My attitude is: who cares who held the pen?

God wanted every jot & tittle written down, and every jot & tittle got written down.

 

[AV1611VET]

By "we" I mean you as well. You don't know either.

Your epistemology is different than mine.

 

[anyathesword]

If satan wrote the Bible, how would YOU even know the qualities of God? Everything written about God in the Bible could be a lie.

That is the point of the exercise. The only reason you think you know the qualities of God and Satan, is because you assume the Bible is true. If Satan wrote the Bible, you couldn't trust the Bible to speak the truth about God, so how would you know anything about him?

I don't ASSUME that the Bible is true. The Bible IS true.

The Bible itself says that it is true.

Why don't you give me another book out of the blue that has 2000 (that's 2 thousand) prophecies that have been fulfilled ACCURRATLY.

Now we need to realize this book was not written in one time period. It spanned 1400 YEARS!!

Recent prophecies written in the 500s to 700 BC have been fulfilled concerning Israel, the country.

The fact that the nation has prevailed against it's enemies, the fact that it's been rebuilt, and that trees will grow again there (200 million!!!) Isn't that just fascinating???

And don't forget when these prophecies were written...between 500s and 700s BC (appx)!!!!!

10 Bible prophecies fulfilled recently

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I believe he did too ... but I'm not like you guys, who strain at gnats while swallowing camels.

My attitude is: who cares who held the pen?

God wanted every jot & tittle written down, and every jot & tittle got written down.

Because when it was written and by whom is rather important as far as reliability goes. The greater the timespan between the events and the writing, the less reliable the accounts are likely to be. Similarly, if the authors were not eyewitnesses, then the writings are again less reliable.

Again, it's bad luck for you that both the timespan and authorship are not on your side, AV1611VET.

 

[anyathesword]

I believe he did too ... but I'm not like you guys, who strain at gnats while swallowing camels.

My attitude is: who cares who held the pen?

God wanted every jot & tittle written down, and every jot & tittle got written down.

brother!

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Your epistemology is different than mine.

Lol, it's certainly not as clouded with personal agenda as yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because when it was written and by whom is rather important as far as reliability goes. The greater the timespan between the events and the writing, the less reliable the accounts are likely to be. Similarly, if the authors were not eyewitnesses, then the writings are again less reliable.

Again, it's bad luck for you that both the timespan and authorship are not on your side, AV1611VET.

Oh, so you're assuming distant authorship?

That doesn't work the other way around?

And here I thought you were hinting that Jesus' step-brothers wrote the Gospels!