A Pondering of the Peculiar (4)

[dad]

The laws of physics generally are (black holes had to ruin it, amongst other things that don't really warp stuff on earth).

No. They aren't! The WAY science determines that they are, is by working with our laws now!

 

[lesliedellow]

Absurd. The future being different is not even a question or in doubt. This present earth is not constant, nor anything in it.

Like I pointed out elsewhere, you cannot vary the laws of nature to suit your agenda, without results which are likely to be pretty disastrous.

 

[PsychoSarah]

What gets my goat is when people want to make out like Jesus was not the creator of the world...that He did not really created Adam and Eve...etc. I find that luke warm. Believe or get off the pot!

Well, I don't think it is suggested that it was god in Jesus form who made the universe, but rather in whatever deity form it takes in heaven.

 

[bhsmte]

Like I pointed out elsewhere, you cannot vary the laws of nature to suit your agenda, without results which are likely to be pretty disastrous.

Does anyone else envision a dog chasing their tail?

 

[dad]

Like I pointed out elsewhere, you cannot vary the laws of nature to suit your agenda, without results which are likely to be pretty disastrous.

I don't! Our laws did not vary since they got here! The issue is only when that was! If it was after the flood how constant is that!!??

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. They aren't! The WAY science determines that they are, is by working with our laws now!

Prove that you can tweak 1 law of physics even a little bit that would support the bible timeline without making the universe fall apart or having to leave obvious evidence behind.

 

[dad]

Well, I don't think it is suggested that it was god in Jesus form who made the universe, but rather in whatever deity form it takes in heaven.

Jesus was God in the flesh! He made the world as it says in John 1.

 

[dad]

Prove that you can tweak 1 law of physics even a little bit that would support the bible timeline without making the universe fall apart or having to leave obvious evidence behind.

Forget tweaking OUR present laws! That ain't what was tweaked.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Jesus was God in the flesh! He made the world as it says in John 1.

Did it ever state that god was in an earthly, flesh form while creating all of existence? In fact, logically it would seem that would make creating everything harder.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Forget tweaking OUR present laws! That ain't what was tweaked.

Look, unless you can prove that a universe with different laws of physics can exist, your position is moot.

 

[lesliedellow]

No. They aren't! The WAY science determines that they are, is by working with our laws now!

So would you like gravity to be stronger or weaker? Or, to put it another way, would you prefer to fry or freeze?

 

[dad]

So would you like gravity to be stronger or weaker? Or, to put it another way, would you prefer to fry or freeze?

Doesn't matter at all! gravity is merely a force we have here in the present. We do not need to limit ourselves to gravity as we know it in the future. What if there are other forces instead/as well? Gravity gets to be less significant.

 

[lesliedellow]

Doesn't matter at all! gravity is merely a force we have here in the present. We do not need to limit ourselves to gravity as we know it in the future. What if there are other forces instead/as well? Gravity gets to be less significant.

There are other forces, but it is just as well, that they are not at work keeping us in orbit round the sun. If they were, we would have to be in an orbit where even hydrogen was frozen rock solid.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Doesn't matter at all! gravity is merely a force we have here in the present. We do not need to limit ourselves to gravity as we know it in the future. What if there are other forces instead/as well? Gravity gets to be less significant.

Gravity is more important than you give it credit, it not only keeps the earth in proper orbit, but it keeps your body from falling apart.

 

[Loudmouth]

Doesn't matter at all! gravity is merely a force we have here in the present. We do not need to limit ourselves to gravity as we know it in the future. What if there are other forces instead/as well? Gravity gets to be less significant.

What if? Why don't you actually present some evidence instead of throwing out fantasies.

 

[GenemZ]

Utter conjecture. You misinterpret the fossil record.
God said water...He doesn't know the difference??? Give us a break!

I would like to see you off your break.

True...and so..?? What He is the ice man?

Look at the context for a moment. There had been no light. There was no sun. No HEAT. Add to that, the Hebrew states that the Spirit was brooding over the waters like a mother hen warming her eggs.

A little Scriptural correlation here: Jeremiah gave the recalcitrant and totally arrogant Jews a most severe warning against them for their rebelliousness against God. What was his warning? What words did Jeremiah speak as to try to put fear in their hearts?

Jeremiah used the same Hebrew words (and setting) that are found in Genesis 1:2ff...



22 “For My people are fools;
they do not know Me.
They are foolish children,
without understanding.
They are skilled in doing what is evil,
but they do not know how to do what is good.”

23I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty. [Same Hebrew as Genesis 1:2]
I looked to the heavens,
and their light was gone.
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills shook.
25 I looked, and no man was left;
all the birds of the sky had fled.
26 I looked, and the fertile field was a wilderness.
All its cities were torn down
because of the Lord
and His burning anger.



There was a total destruction that had taken place in Genesis 1:2. That is why Jeremiah slammed it over their heads with the same Hebrew words (tohu wabohu). These words really meant an upheaval - a chaotic mess, and having an eery sense of dark emptiness clinging to it. These two Hebrew words only appear together twice in the Torah. First one - Genesis 1:2. 2nd time, is Jeremiah 4:23. Those words spoken by Jeremiah were to be seen as a threat to the rebellious Jews. A threat as to show how powerful God is and is able to destroy those whom He has judged. Israel was destroyed by the Lord not long after Jeremiah's warning.

Just look at what Jeremiah was telling the Jews that what was to become the land of Israel. It was what had taken place on the earth just before we read the words in Genesis 1:2. No.. We do not find the planet being created in Genesis 1:2 as some claim. Instead, we find the destroyed earth about to be restored by the God of creation. For, the previous creation had been destroyed as Jeremiah described it. For..as we read in Genesis 1:2 that the earth had become tohu wabohu. Found in a state of utter ruin and having an eerie sense of emptiness surrounding it.

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[dad]

There are other forces, but it is just as well, that they are not at work keeping us in orbit round the sun. If they were, we would have to be in an orbit where even hydrogen was frozen rock solid.

Foolishness. We do not know of what forces existed before this state.

 

[dad]

Gravity is more important than you give it credit, it not only keeps the earth in proper orbit, but it keeps your body from falling apart.

It also moves at a certain speed apparently science claims, they theorize the same as light speed. It also takes time to do all that. Right there we have time involved as well as distance therefore space. There are many things that can affect gravity, and probably many things we no longer even know or have in this state!

Looking at the future, a moon sized city will come to earth. If gravity were all there was it would crash!

 

[dad]

What if? Why don't you actually present some evidence instead of throwing out fantasies.

The fantasy is your same state future or past! There is NO evidence for either.

 

[dad]

I would like to see you off your break.

I don't date men.

Look at the context for a moment. There had been no light. There was no sun. No HEAT. Add to that, the Hebrew states that the Spirit was brooding over the waters like a mother hen warming her eggs.

That doesn't mean sitting on earth producing heat. God is not a chicken.

A little Scriptural correlation here: Jeremiah gave the recalcitrant and totally arrogant Jews a most severe warning against them for their rebelliousness against God. What was his warning? What words did Jeremiah speak as to try to put fear in their hearts?

Jeremiah used the same Hebrew words (and setting) that are found in Genesis 1:2ff...



22 “For My people are fools;
they do not know Me.
They are foolish children,
without understanding.
They are skilled in doing what is evil,
but they do not know how to do what is good.”

23I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty. [Same Hebrew as Genesis 1:2]
I looked to the heavens,
and their light was gone.
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills shook.
25 I looked, and no man was left;
all the birds of the sky had fled.
26 I looked, and the fertile field was a wilderness.
All its cities were torn down
because of the Lord
and His burning anger.

That anger and the mountains being leveled after shaking, and the end of man, and the fall of all cities comes at the end, and wrath of God!!! That was not before man was created or creation week. Not even close. A good start might be to know the beginning from the end!

There was a total destruction that had taken place in Genesis 1:2.

No, that is clearly the day of the Lord...the wrath...and has the earmarks in detail.

That is why Jeremiah slammed it over their heads with the same Hebrew words (tohu wabohu). These words really meant an upheaval - a chaotic mess, and having an eery sense of dark emptiness clinging to it.

The end will be like that.

These two Hebrew words only appear together twice in the Torah. First one - Genesis 1:2. 2nd time, is Jeremiah 4:23. Those words spoken by Jeremiah were to be seen as a threat to the rebellious Jews. A threat as to show how powerful God is and is able to destroy those whom He has judged. Israel was destroyed by the Lord not long after Jeremiah's warning.

Right a taste of things to come. Absolutely nothing to do with creation week.