A Pondering of the Peculiar (2)

GenemZ · Feb 9, 2014

Herman Hedning said:
Anya, you believe in an omnipotent and omniscient God, right? A god that knew even before he created Satan that he would fall and make everything evil in the world? And still you don't think God is at least a tiny bit responsible, given all that foreknowledge and stuff?

You forget... The Father only supplied the power to create everything. All things were created by the Son.

The Son has the power to remove himself from his omniscience. That factor was clearly demonstrated when God the Son left heaven and made himself as a man. As a man he did not retain his omniscience while he lived as a man.

The creation was produced in God the Father's power. What was produced was created by the Son. When the creation took place what was created by the Son did not have to involve foreknowledge.

The Son created every angel and man in his state of perfect love. The Father provided the power to make what his Son created to be made manifested. Manifested out from nothing.

While creating us, the Son desired only the absolute best for all of us. He created us to be perfect. Yet, he created us to have volition... that is one reason it is said that we have been created in God's image. Volition is what caused the fall of both men and angels. In doing so, when the creature chose against God it was made clear that God was able to create free will. The rest is history.

Colossians 1:15-17

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers
or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for
Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

I am not counting on you to understand what I just said. But, let it be known. What you think you mocked has an answer.

Aman777 · Feb 9, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
You do agree though that hell is not a physical place currently beneath our feet right? Or at the very least it isn't physical in a way that people could actually go there while alive by drilling a deep enough hole in the ground?

Dear PS, Yes. Planet Earth will be totally destroyed at the end of time. ll Peter 3:10 Hell will be forever. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

GenemZ · Feb 9, 2014

Mr Strawberry said:
Wasn't that god's plan all along?

It was utilized in God's plan.

Hardly seems fair to blame anyone else for his plan, especially as central to his plan was coercing human beings into murdering him.

The very reason God let them torture and murder His Son, was so he could save them from what they had become. It was like treating a snake bite with serum venom.

Those who have an imaginary friend usually create him in their own image, so you usually get one about the size you can cope with and who seems, in an amazing coincidence, ever so reasonable to you.

I know many Christians that are like that. They used to bug me. That's because they refuse to take up their cross and to deny self when they are shown the way God is. I can assure you, that the one I have come to know was not created in my image. But, that's for me to know.

Believe what you wish. For you do that anyway.

GenemZ · Feb 9, 2014

Aman777 said:
Dear PS, Yes. Planet Earth will be totally destroyed at the end of time. ll Peter 3:10 Hell will be forever. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Its something we all need to be shown at some point.

Hell will cease to exist. Hell will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Where Hell is now is only temporary. Its a holding place for unbelievers awaiting the final judgment.

Revelation 20:13-15

And the sea gave up the dead which were in
it, and death and Hell gave up the dead which
were in them; and they were judged, every one
of them according to their deeds. Then death
and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. This
is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s
name was not found written in the book of life, he
was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hell will be thrown into the Lake of Fire after all in Hell are judged. Hell will cease to exist. The fire will burn forever.

Davian · Feb 9, 2014

genez said:
What did "souls" do to Christ when they thought he was just like one of them? Tortured and murdered.

God must contain those who would want to contain God.

Little box you got there. Sure God will fit? Small minds = small God.

You have no idea... None.

Back in post #3 of this thread I asked if you could demonstrate that this god thing is not simply a product of your imagination.

Could you do so? No.

It would appear you have no idea either.

PsychoSarah · Feb 9, 2014

anyathesword said:
Are you responsable if your child decides to shoot the person outside?

Yeah, because you left the gun within reach and never told them "no". In fact, the parent is even more responsible than the child.

Davian · Feb 9, 2014

anyathesword said:
The Bible is not my imagination!!

No, it inspires your imagination. But what you imagine is not necessarily true.

PsychoSarah · Feb 9, 2014

Davian said:
No, it inspires your imagination. But what you imagine is not necessarily true.

I can say that religion can inspire me without even believing in it. I have a talent for literature. To bad I hate writing most of the time.

GenemZ · Feb 9, 2014

Davian said:
Back in post #3 of this thread I asked if you could demonstrate that this god thing is not simply a product of your imagination.

Could you do so? No.

Knowing God is only demonstrated when someone enters into regeneration for them self. The fact that many stupid people find God? Leaves you to be without excuse...

Your request was a stupid request. But, you have no way of knowing that. Do you?

GenemZ · Feb 9, 2014

Davian said:
No, it inspires your imagination. But what you imagine is not necessarily true.

Those photos were photoshopped. They were the product of someone's imagination.

PsychoSarah · Feb 9, 2014

genez said:
Knowing God is only demonstrated when someone enters into regeneration for them self. The fact that many stupid people find God? Leaves you to be without excuse...

Your request was a stupid request. But, you have no way of knowing that. Do you?

Woah, let's not be attacking intelligence here, there are morons and geniuses on both sides, as well as all levels inbetween.

Davian · Feb 9, 2014

Davian said:
Back in post #3 of this thread I asked if you could demonstrate that this god thing is not simply a product of your imagination.

Could you do so? No.

It would appear you have no idea either.

genez said:
Knowing God is only demonstrated when someone enters into regeneration for them self. The fact that many stupid people find God? Leaves you to be without excuse...

I simply asked if could demonstrate that this god thing is not simply a product of your imagination, and you resort to throwing insults? Is that all you have?

genez said:
Your request was a stupid request. But, you have no way of knowing that. Do you?

No, my request was tailored for you. That you didn't like it does not make it stupid.

Davian · Feb 9, 2014

genez said:
Those photos were photoshopped. They were the product of someone's imagination.

The picture from my sig?

One was altered, one was not, but with irony that is probably lost on you, yes, they are both a product of peoples' imaginations.

There are no gods to worry about.

PsychoSarah · Feb 9, 2014

Let me guess, the one on the right is the fake.

GenemZ · Feb 10, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
Woah, let's not be attacking intelligence here, there are morons and geniuses on both sides, as well as all levels inbetween.

Don't be too concerned with what I said. Its a fact. The Bible tells the whole world it is so.

1 Corinthians 1:26-27

Brothers, consider your calling: Not many are wise from a human perspective, not many powerful, not many of noble birth. Instead, God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong.

A good many atheists use the stupidity of the many undisciplined Christians as their leverage for their excuse for wanting nothing to do with God...

I don't deny it. And, the Christians that I have known will not deny it either. They accept the fact that they are not very bright. But they also see themselves as being of superior mind, because they realize that they did not reject God's calling. Its the atheist who is seen as eternally stupid.

That passage does not mean all Christians are simple minded The Bible only says that not many are not wise. It does not say all.

Just the same. When atheists meet up with those Christians who are not simple minded, they like to manipulate and treat those with intelligence as if they too were simple minded. That way they do not have to bother to ponder and think too deeply.

GenemZ · Feb 10, 2014

Davian said:
I simply asked if could demonstrate that this god thing is not simply a product of your imagination, and you resort to throwing insults? Is that all you have?

No, my request was tailored for you. That you didn't like it does not make it stupid.

It is stupid. For you will receive your demonstration after its too late. I call that stupid.

PsychoSarah · Feb 10, 2014

genez said:
Don't be too concerned with what I said. Its a fact. The Bible tells the whole world it is so.

1 Corinthians 1:26-27

Brothers, consider your calling: Not many are wise from a human perspective, not many powerful, not many of noble birth. Instead, God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong.

A good many atheists use the stupidity of the many undisciplined Christians as their leverage for their excuse for wanting nothing to do with God...

I don't deny it. And, the Christians that I have known will not deny it either. They accept the fact that they are not very bright. But they also see themselves as being of superior mind, because they realize that they did not reject God's calling. Its the atheist who is seen as eternally stupid.

That passage does not mean all Christians are simple minded The Bible only says that not many are not wise. It does not say all.

Just the same. When atheists meet up with those Christians who are not simple minded, they like to manipulate and treat those with intelligence as if they too were simple minded. That way they do not have to bother to ponder and think too deeply.

Actually, being repeatedly assaulted by religious extremists is why I have never attempted to follow a religion... Every time I try to investigate the possibility of being religious, I get physically or emotionally attacked by religious extremists for not immediately converting. The environment becomes so hostile I don't want to risk it anymore.

PsychoSarah · Feb 10, 2014

For the record, I can recall effort fully trying to find religion 4 times, each time with different churches.

PsychoSarah · Feb 10, 2014

I guess no one has a response to that...

Mr Strawberry · Feb 10, 2014

genez said:
It was utilized in God's plan.

It was part of his plan then.

The very reason God let them torture and murder His Son, was so he could save them from what they had become. It was like treating a snake bite with serum venom.

Yes, we know the reason for the plan, but the plan itself was to coerce humans into murdering him. You can't get round that.

I know many Christians that are like that. They used to bug me. That's because they refuse to take up their cross and to deny self when they are shown the way God is. I can assure you, that the one I have come to know was not created in my image. But, that's for me to know.

Fair enough, your invisible friend is nothing like you, except that strangely he understands you completely and is on your side.

Believe what you wish. For you do that anyway.

No, unlike you I don't believe what I wish to believe. If I relied solely on wishes for for my beliefs I would believe in all sorts of rubbish, a bit like religious people in fact.

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