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If you need proof to believe then you have no faith to begin with. Faith is not blind, it is believing.
this is the most tiresome nonsensical argument for our religious beliefs of any out there...sorry, I don't mean to be harsh, it's just ridiculous when people try to make one's religious beliefs only about what they were taught to believe. All the time we see people walking away from what they were taught to hold to another religious belief and thus, in that alone, we evidence this argument to be ad homin.I'm an atheist but what about all the people who were raised to be Muslim or Hindu? millions of them have never heard of Jesus Christ?
The polemic of Gen. basically boils down to this, why would one worship that which is created when you could worship the creator. IOW's the argument doesn't fall apart at all because the argument does not involve the creator only that which was created. In order for it to fall apart, one would have to include the creator into the whole theory, which it does NOT.just as you have never heard of some of their Gods.If that's the case where did your God come from and how do you think he created everything?
According to your bible your God was there before anything existed, he then created everything from nothing. When you analyse the myth it falls apart.
I'm not quite sure I understand your double question. As to where did my God come from? My God always was. How did God create? He spoke.I'm an atheist but what about all the people who were raised to be Muslim or Hindu? millions of them have never heard of Jesus Christ? just as you have never heard of some of their Gods.If that's the case where did your God come from and how do you think he created everything?
According to your bible your God was there before anything existed, he then created everything from nothing. When you analyse the myth it falls apart.
A lot of atheists think that because the creation story doesn't match data the whole Bible is wrong
I call you out on this one. This is a pure projection. No atheist I know about of would say that. They would say that the entire bible cannot be true, as claimed by Christians, if there is some false statement in it. This is simple logic!
It is YEC's that put up this false pillar and you are not to blame atheist for being the one that thinks that way.
I have noticed that a lot of former creationists that turned atheist and as well those that still are YEC's reason that if Genesis cannot literally be true then the entire bible must be false. This way of reasoning is not to blame on atheist but fundamentalist themselves - because it is YEC's who makes the claim that if Genesis is not literally true then nothing in the bible can be true. No wonder then if YEC indoctrinate their kids with this kind of way of thinking that these kids will - bitterly - turn their back on Christianity and become atheist when they later on discover that the Theory of Evolution actual has merits. In other words, YEC harms everyone - even Christianity itself since it make people lose faith. Imo, YEC lacks common sense balance.
God isn’t “speaking” to us in the audible sense. In the same way, God “spoke” to our forefathers. I hope this helps.
LOL........Given what you believe it seems like it never ever will for you, so I am obviously wrong.
Nonsense.
It's more like this....if Genesis is myth, didn't really happen...then much of the bible can't be trusted.
Using your example...if Genesis isn't true....where the bible talks about Jerusalem...there isn't any city named Jerusalem..because everything in the bible is false.
I don't know, are you happy with that answer or do you think we should make up an answer? I know let's compound the problem by adding an ever bigger problem, let's say a God did it, now we have two problems we can't solve, we still don't know how we got here and on top of that we need to explain how the God got here, we could of course say the God was always here but some might see that as a cop-out that explains nothing.Perhaps you can tell us how your non-god created everything from nothing? Where did the stuff in your Big Bang come from?
If the skeptic understood the context and source, in this case what the Bible says, then that skeptic would have the answer. You see, in scripture, God spoke directly to the people, as in Adam and Eve. As sin took more and more control over the earth and the people, God's direct word became less and He spoke more through dreams, visions, even the prophets. As we continue to move through the bible, God spoke through His word, that is scripture (which obviously was not the case before scripture was given) So, it depends on which ancestors we are referring to how God spoke. Today, He speaks through His word and through the HS.No it does not help.
Skeptics are usually aware of this, but a skeptic merely want to know what you consider to be "speaking" when you saying "god speaks".
Your statement is not a very precise one and as pointed out is is meaningless since it can mean anything to anyone. You could have as well said "revelation" - that word does neither tell the nature of the how the revelation too place. "God speeks to me" is a filler meant for the reader to fill in the meaning himself of "speaking" so it appears that everyone understand and agrees while in fact every one just make up whatever they "feel" fit in. These kind of filler words are frequenlty used by con artist to create an apperance of connection with the audience - that they are on the same "wave length" - while in fact nobody has any idea what the other thinks or speak about.
Therefore, when you say "speaking", then a skeptic wants know what you mean. It is then perfectly proper to ask if you refer to phenomenas previously been claimed to be communication with the supernatural or a spiritual world such as "having a feeling", or "a dream", or an "experience from drugs", or a "death experience", etc.
According to scripture, the heavens and earth were without form and void. IOW's the building blocks were there...iow's we begin our story according to Gen. with the materials being in existence, we can surmise that God created them from the polemic account as presented, but it really is not a question that is dealt with on any level in the Gen. account. Like the theory of evolution has a starting and stopping point, so does the biblical account. How about a hard question now?Perhaps you can tell us how your non-god created everything from nothing? Where did the stuff in your Big Bang come from?
I don't know, are you happy with that answer or do you think we should make up an answer? I know let's compound the problem by adding an ever bigger problem, let's say a God did it, now we have two problems we can't solve, we still don't know how we got here and on top of that we need to explain how the God got here, we could of course say the God was always here but some might see that as a cop-out that explains nothing.
I think I will stick with "I don't know" after all it is the truth, I really don't know.
awesome....so what is the question then, so far we haven't even dealt with "magic and miracles", but I guess if you want we can try to apply both to any question you want to ask....I agree, let's have a problem magic and miracles can't solve.
Yea, definitely agreed that 100 hours doesn't even compare to a true expert in the field.
I think the piece you are missing is that my 100 hours’ worth of studying was not based on a “first principals”
My point about seeing “all sides of the argument” is simply a way of communicating that I kept an open mind about the various arguments
What I ran into a lot in studying the interpretation of Genesis was people that weren’t willing to even entertain the idea that Genesis could be interpreted differently than what they believed.
According to scripture, the heavens and earth were without form and void. IOW's the building blocks were there...iow's we begin our story according to Gen. with the materials being in existence, we can surmise that God created them from the polemic account as presented, but it really is not a question that is dealt with on any level in the Gen. account. Like the theory of evolution has a starting and stopping point, so does the biblical account. How about a hard question now?
not necessarily....if He created the heavens and earth, then they do not necessarily have to be without form and void....iow's from the literary standpoint, this is more of a statement of what we are going to be talking about, that is, creating the heavens and earth. Like I said, we dare not throw literary rules out the window when looking at the intended meaning of scripture.Actually it says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." What did God create? The building blocks as you put it. Those "building blocks" were without form and void....
That's because I have seen nothing that would indicate that a creator even exists, I've heard the stories but as far as I am concerned that's all they are, stories, every country has a different story to tell but they all have the same evidence backing the stories up, none.Of course you don't know....but you seem to know enough to deny the existance of a creator.
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