A new God

[livingone]

In scripture, it says the God of this world has blinded those who don't believe. If the God of this world is the God of the blind then doesn't that mean that it was this God who created this world.
I'm saying Jesus and the God of the old testament are not the same God. Jesus became Jehovah when he died. But the real Jehovah is the God of this world, the blind God. Do you see how one and one adds together.
Scripture says the God of this world has blinded those who don't believe. If there is a God of this world then it is the same God that created this world in seven days. Do you see how what I am saying is relevant. If there is a God of this world then he created this world.
It all makes sense doesn't it? Jesus preaches turn the other cheek, while the God of the old testament was turning cities into salt. Obviously, something does not add up when Jesus is compared to the Jehovah of the bible.
How could the church be so blind? I'll tell you why. They assume Jesus is the Lord that is spoken in the old testament, never comparing Jesus' words to the actions of the God in the old testament. It's as if Jesus attached himself to the Jehovah in order to stomp on the serpents head, who is the Lord Jehovah--the evil one. Or as Jesus says the holy ghost shall judge the world because the ruler of this world is judged. Perhaps Jehovah is not completely evil. Just misinformed with mal intent.
They say that the old testament prophets were inspired by the holy spirit to write. Whose spirit; but Jehovahs spirit. I say the Father, son and holy ghost is just the god of this world. The bible is just a fable. People look into it and guard it as if it were necessary to existence; therefore there is no progression in theologic thought; but fear is their only God, next to their God of this world worship.
I can write scripture 100x's better than Jesus Christ.
I can create a God 100x's better than Jesus Christ.
I'll be your God. I command you not to worship me. I don't find it necessary. You don't need to eat my flesh or drink my blood to inherit eternal life. People don't go to hell. I just put them over my knee and spank them when they die. Look I am your God. Let's elect a new God. This is my platform--you can blasphemy me all you want. It's me against Jesus. Who will you elect?

 

[fuzzyh]

I elect Jesus until you let me kill you and you raise from the dead three days later.

That said, if you wanted we could go through your first statement proposition by proposition and discuss them. Until then you have a problem.

 

[livingone]

I elect Jesus until you let me kill you and you raise from the dead three days later.

That said, if you wanted we could go through your first statement proposition by proposition and discuss them. Until then you have a problem.

Sure let's discuss it. Listen, in scripture it says the god of this world has blinded those who don't believe. If there is a God of this world then wouldn't one come to the conclusion that the God of this world created this world; otherwise he wouldn't be the God of this world--he wouldn't be God of any world. So what I am saying is that the God of this world created the world in seven days.
And if he really is God then wouldn't God have foreknowledge? Wouldn't he have known that Adam and Eve ate the fruit? Instead, the God of this world comes to them and says to them, why are you hiding? They reply we were naked. Then the God asks, did you eat from the tree that I commanded you not to eat? Wouldn't God have foreknowledge that Adam and Eve would disobey him?
Then the God of this world cursed the earth for what Adam and Eve had done. If Jesus is the God of the old testament then why would Jesus curse the earth? Jesus says bless those who curse you, doesn't he? And what kind of God curses an entire planet because someone ate a piece of fruit--that is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
One should adore the serpent created by God, to twist words around, was it not the serpent that gave us knowledge of good and evil--is that a bad thing? And was it not the serpent who invoked this God's true self--the God of wrath, the father of jealousy?
And why should prophecies be fullfilled, considering that scripture of the old testament, pours out this Gods' wrath, saying--I will bring desolation and sorrow? Why do things have to happen this way--there is no truth in the bible; and there is no truth in God. The bible is a fable--the blackest will that ever poured out upon the earth; as it is evident that Christendom has led to the demise of the entire earth. The cross is a thing of evil--a suffering bestowed upon the earth by three gods. Why bestow suffering upon a people? You can say it is the will of God; but nonetheless, no matter how powerful a being is--the will of god is just another man's (gods') opinion.
It is even said that when Jesus came into the world then sin entered the world. Jesus is the root of sin and lust was created beginning with hymn.
It even says in scripture--Now that you have seen me and my father, you have sin and you hate us because of it. The serpent has a forked tongue and has you all mesmorized. Because of him you have sin. Sure you can perceive it in the old fashion way--that Jesus revealed sin or you can perceive it in a new way, because of him--sin entered the world.
Put one and one together. Jesus gives the cross to the Romans. The romans are the filth of the earth. Where ever his cross goes, so do filthy romans and their sins. The serpents light has you mesmorized again. No this can't be true.


The serpent's light has you mesmorized again. Crucifixation. Just as moses lifted up the serpent, so does the son of man have to be lifted up because he is a serpent of the light. The serpent incarnate. The serpents' light has you mesmorized again. Book of God it is a fable.

 

[ClericJohn]

You have some interesting points. However I would ask that you think about your text format a little more... this is very hard to read.

The Cleric

 

[Upisoft]

... this is very hard to read.

The Cleric

As any scripture sould be.

 

[ClericJohn]

So after taking that apart. If you are going to suggest that the god of the OT and NT are different, then do you agree the reason that the OT god is vile is because he is a Sumerian storm god that lived on a mountain?

 

[livingone]

So after taking that apart. If you are going to suggest that the god of the OT and NT are different, then do you agree the reason that the OT god is vile is because he is a Sumerian storm god that lived on a mountain?

I don't know anything about Sumeria. But that would be interesting to find out if he was. Can you elaborate on this point?

 

[ehehe]

Haha, GodSchism is a laugh riot.

 

[fuzzyh]

Ok so I will make my rebuttal in quite a bit less obscure language, because I have no interest to obfuscate the issue.


First, the passage you quote says
"in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

However, from that statement I think you equivocate on the word God. In fact, based upon the context of the passage you quote, Paul is not talking about God, but rather a different god.

It seems like you post hinges upon the God of this world being a the creator God. And I flat out disagree. Can you find any other post in which Paul uses the terms God of this world to refer to the creator God?

I'm also wondering why you start with a premise you admit is false. You say that there is no truth in the Bible. The statement about the God of this world is found in the Bible. Therefore the statement is true, but instead you use it to your own demise. Perhaps you should work on a noncontradictory argument. They work a little better.

 

[Blackguard_]

Haha, GodSchism is a laugh riot.

Livingone=GodSchism? That sure explains alot.

Sure let's discuss it. Listen, in scripture it says the god of this world has blinded those who don't believe. If there is a God of this world then wouldn't one come to the conclusion that the God of this world created this world; otherwise he wouldn't be the God of this world--he wouldn't be God of any world. So what I am saying is that the God of this world created the world in seven days.

This is just silly. Were Athena, Poseidon, Hades, etc. not gods? A god doesn't have to be a creator. Remember how Zeus, Posiedon, and Hades divided up creation? Hades is god of the underworld despite his not creating it, Poseidon didn't create the sea and Zeus didn't make the sky. As fuuzyh said, you are equivocating, and doing it very badly at that.

 

[fuzzyh]

Well at least someone thinks I'm right. I'll pontificate later using big words to impress you all, with obscure arguments

 

[stranger]

In scripture, it says the God of this world has blinded those who don't believe.

That is so, but He also promises to reveal all truth to all men in His kingdom in the new earth... so the blindness is only temporary, like Paul's ...

If the God of this world is the God of the blind then doesn't that mean that it was this God who created this world.

God is the god of those few now can see, to the many who cannot see He is not their god, but they choose one of the many divided false gods of man-made religion... just as the scripture says they will -Rev 13:3-7

I'm saying Jesus and the God of the old testament are not the same God.

Big mistake friend, Jesus endrsed the OT prophets who wrote the OT scriptures by inspiration from God

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[NOTE that this cannot be referring to most of the NT!]

Jesus became Jehovah when he died.

Rather the scripture says Jesus is at YHWH's right hand ...at one with God, but still standing for the only way of redemption of mankind through perfection in trial during life...

But the real Jehovah is the God of this world, the blind God.

Nay frend, many men are blind, God is not... the blind gods of this evil world are the false gods of religion and politics [and reason!]

Do you see how one and one adds together.
Scripture says the God of this world has blinded those who don't believe.

God has indeed blinded most men so that they do not believe in Him, but men do believe in the false gods of religion, so many men think that they believe in god [whereas the scripture makes it clear that very FEW believe in God , just some two thousand at any one time in THIS earth, but the MANY will believe in god in the new earth where most men are redeemed after perfction of their love in trial there]

If there is a God of this world then it is the same God that created this world in seven days. Do you see how what I am saying is relevant. If there is a God of this world then he created this world.

The God who created this universe is NOT teh god of man-made religion , not christianity, not Judaism, not islam... no man-made divided religion knows God , God is not divided !

It all makes sense doesn't it? Jesus preaches turn the other cheek, while the God of the old testament was turning cities into salt. Obviously, something does not add up when Jesus is compared to the Jehovah of the bible.

The OT times are when men have just emerged from the Stone Age... it is a very different way of life then , barbaric in many ways , God dealt with men then , as now, in ways appropriate to what he wants in the world... since God will resurrect all emn to then know all truth, it matters not whose life He takes in order to fulfil His purpose [not ours!] in THIS world...

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

How could the church be so blind?

they are blind because God blinded them , they are not given baptism of the spirit else as Jesus said , they would know all truth and SEE :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:

I'll tell you why. They assume Jesus is the Lord that is spoken in the old testament, never comparing Jesus' words to the actions of the God in the old testament.

But Jesus endorsed the OT prophets and quoted from them ... what you are not seeing s that times have changed ... God dealt with men differenetly because men were differenet, God is still the same , time-less even...

As it says in the OT :-

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

It's as if Jesus attached himself to the Jehovah in order to stomp on the serpents head, who is the Lord Jehovah--the evil one.

YHWH is time-less, He cannot do any evil [or any good for that matter] , rather He creates us to do the evil and the good so that he can know things which He cannot do for Himself ... thus men suffer so that god can know what evil is, we are God's knowing about this world!

Or as Jesus says the holy ghost shall judge the world because the ruler of this world is judged.

The 'holy ghost' is the spirit of truth of God Hiself, so it is hardly going to judge itself, nor can it do so, but Satan, the prince of power of this earth WILL be judged gulty of blasphemy [pretending to be God because religion of this world mostly worships him as if he were God] ... it is Satan who rules now, but only briefly since Jesus returns soon to claim his throne ...and then the 'wrath of God' against all that is evil and destruction of THIS universe and creatio of the new earth and heavens...

Perhaps Jehovah is not completely evil. Just misinformed with mal intent.

YHWH is not evil, nor even can he be, the spirit is neither evil nor good, it just is ... but men must become good , perfect in love, before being translated to spirit and so become immortal [but at cost of losing individuality, becoming one with God]

They say that the old testament prophets were inspired by the holy spirit to write. Whose spirit; but Jehovahs spirit. I say the Father, son and holy ghost is just the god of this world.

Insofar as God directs what satan ca and cannot do, that is ina sense true, but the prince of power of this world is satan because God gives hi enough rope t hang himself by giving him power now.. Satan will thus manifest as aman , just as Jesus did ,and die as a man, just as Jesus did...

The bible is just a fable.

Rather there are countless fables about what it says, called religion.... the bible is DISTICT as a WHOLE from them all....

People look into it and guard it as if it were necessary to existence; therefore there is no progression in theologic thought;

Even the bibe says that it is not necessary for existence or for salvation , it is simply useful as a cross reference for saints and gives false religions a task in re-hashing what it says to fit partly their false beliefs...

but fear is their only God, next to their God of this world worship.

Religon has often used fear of the unknown to proselytise men into saying they believe what is unbelievable... but the whole of this process of subversion of mankind by false religious traditions of men is documented and prophesied in the scripture... equally, theology is an oxymoron, one cannot study God by means of reason !!

I can write scripture 100x's better than Jesus Christ.
I can create a God 100x's better than Jesus Christ.
I'll be your God. I command you not to worship me. I don't find it necessary.

If you read what Jesus said and stop getting upset by the empty worshp of false gods in religious ritual , then you would see that God seeks only 144,000 to worship Him in this world , and they only perhaps about two tousand alive at any one time...

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

VERY FEW people have all truth to be ABLE to worship god in spirit as He requires ... God never instructed sinners to worship false gods in man-made religions of all kinds although He knew they would do so...

You don't need to eat my flesh or drink my blood to inherit eternal life.

God has promised eternal life to all , there is no ritual anyone has to do in order to recieve that , unlike what men teach in man-made religion... God shows love to all men, but realises that most men will not understand that He requires men to suffer in this life because He knows evil and evil necessitates suffering ... so do not get confused like religion about teh SYMBOLS of Christ's body [His 144,000 saints] who are consumed [they mosly die] for sake of their becoming saints [perfecting their love in this life] , and his blood [symbolising his life] given in perfection of his love so that he might serve the saints who in turn will serve the MANY in the new earth.

People don't go to hell.

Rather 'hell' is NOT what religion teaches it to be, 'hell' ['hades', 'sheol'] is simply the 'unseen' state of thse who are dead... Jesus likened 'hell' to being sleep, one goes to 'sleep' in death in THIS world, and 'wakes up' in resurrection to the new earth... there is no punishment indeath, even God realises there would be no point flogging a dead horse, religion does not howeer, because it milks a living off people's fear of death...

I just put them over my knee and spank them when they die.

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Look I am your God. Let's elect a new God. This is my platform--you can blasphemy me all you want. It's me against Jesus. Who will you elect?

You have done well to manage to reject the self-contradictory religion of men, but now look at the scripture and find the real God of Love that Jesus showed us...

Thus you are not against Jesus, but only against the FALSE image of him created by false religion of men's tradition....

We do not need a new God, and most men will NOT reject tehir false gods which they call God [or some other name] ... nor does God create any other real gods, only false ones for His purpose in THIS earth... thus all men WILL see in the new earth, but NOT YET !

 

[livingone]

Ok so I will make my rebuttal in quite a bit less obscure language, because I have no interest to obfuscate the issue.


First, the passage you quote says
"in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

However, from that statement I think you equivocate on the word God. In fact, based upon the context of the passage you quote, Paul is not talking about God, but rather a different god.

It seems like you post hinges upon the God of this world being a the creator God. And I flat out disagree. Can you find any other post in which Paul uses the terms God of this world to refer to the creator God?

I'm also wondering why you start with a premise you admit is false. You say that there is no truth in the Bible. The statement about the God of this world is found in the Bible. Therefore the statement is true, but instead you use it to your own demise. Perhaps you should work on a noncontradictory argument. They work a little better.

I guess you can say that the creator God and the God of this world are different but consider this. If the creator God gave this world to a blind God then that makes the creator blind also because if the creator were not blind then he would not have given this world to a blind god.
O you say perhaps he sees something in giving this world to a blind god. Perhaps it was the creators will? The creators will is sick and twisted then.

 

[livingone]

That is so, but He also promises to reveal all truth to all men in His kingdom in the new earth... so the blindness is only temporary, like Paul's ...



God is the god of those few now can see, to the many who cannot see He is not their god, but they choose one of the many divided false gods of man-made religion... just as the scripture says they will -Rev 13:3-7



Big mistake friend, Jesus endrsed the OT prophets who wrote the OT scriptures by inspiration from God

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[NOTE that this cannot be referring to most of the NT!]



Rather the scripture says Jesus is at YHWH's right hand ...at one with God, but still standing for the only way of redemption of mankind through perfection in trial during life...



Nay frend, many men are blind, God is not... the blind gods of this evil world are the false gods of religion and politics [and reason!]



God has indeed blinded most men so that they do not believe in Him, but men do believe in the false gods of religion, so many men think that they believe in god [whereas the scripture makes it clear that very FEW believe in God , just some two thousand at any one time in THIS earth, but the MANY will believe in god in the new earth where most men are redeemed after perfction of their love in trial there]



The God who created this universe is NOT teh god of man-made religion , not christianity, not Judaism, not islam... no man-made divided religion knows God , God is not divided !



The OT times are when men have just emerged from the Stone Age... it is a very different way of life then , barbaric in many ways , God dealt with men then , as now, in ways appropriate to what he wants in the world... since God will resurrect all emn to then know all truth, it matters not whose life He takes in order to fulfil His purpose [not ours!] in THIS world...

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.



they are blind because God blinded them , they are not given baptism of the spirit else as Jesus said , they would know all truth and SEE :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:



But Jesus endorsed the OT prophets and quoted from them ... what you are not seeing s that times have changed ... God dealt with men differenetly because men were differenet, God is still the same , time-less even...

As it says in the OT :-

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.




YHWH is time-less, He cannot do any evil [or any good for that matter] , rather He creates us to do the evil and the good so that he can know things which He cannot do for Himself ... thus men suffer so that god can know what evil is, we are God's knowing about this world!



The 'holy ghost' is the spirit of truth of God Hiself, so it is hardly going to judge itself, nor can it do so, but Satan, the prince of power of this earth WILL be judged gulty of blasphemy [pretending to be God because religion of this world mostly worships him as if he were God] ... it is Satan who rules now, but only briefly since Jesus returns soon to claim his throne ...and then the 'wrath of God' against all that is evil and destruction of THIS universe and creatio of the new earth and heavens...



YHWH is not evil, nor even can he be, the spirit is neither evil nor good, it just is ... but men must become good , perfect in love, before being translated to spirit and so become immortal [but at cost of losing individuality, becoming one with God]



Insofar as God directs what satan ca and cannot do, that is ina sense true, but the prince of power of this world is satan because God gives hi enough rope t hang himself by giving him power now.. Satan will thus manifest as aman , just as Jesus did ,and die as a man, just as Jesus did...



Rather there are countless fables about what it says, called religion.... the bible is DISTICT as a WHOLE from them all....



Even the bibe says that it is not necessary for existence or for salvation , it is simply useful as a cross reference for saints and gives false religions a task in re-hashing what it says to fit partly their false beliefs...



Religon has often used fear of the unknown to proselytise men into saying they believe what is unbelievable... but the whole of this process of subversion of mankind by false religious traditions of men is documented and prophesied in the scripture... equally, theology is an oxymoron, one cannot study God by means of reason !!



If you read what Jesus said and stop getting upset by the empty worshp of false gods in religious ritual , then you would see that God seeks only 144,000 to worship Him in this world , and they only perhaps about two tousand alive at any one time...

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

VERY FEW people have all truth to be ABLE to worship god in spirit as He requires ... God never instructed sinners to worship false gods in man-made religions of all kinds although He knew they would do so...



God has promised eternal life to all , there is no ritual anyone has to do in order to recieve that , unlike what men teach in man-made religion... God shows love to all men, but realises that most men will not understand that He requires men to suffer in this life because He knows evil and evil necessitates suffering ... so do not get confused like religion about teh SYMBOLS of Christ's body [His 144,000 saints] who are consumed [they mosly die] for sake of their becoming saints [perfecting their love in this life] , and his blood [symbolising his life] given in perfection of his love so that he might serve the saints who in turn will serve the MANY in the new earth.



Rather 'hell' is NOT what religion teaches it to be, 'hell' ['hades', 'sheol'] is simply the 'unseen' state of thse who are dead... Jesus likened 'hell' to being sleep, one goes to 'sleep' in death in THIS world, and 'wakes up' in resurrection to the new earth... there is no punishment indeath, even God realises there would be no point flogging a dead horse, religion does not howeer, because it milks a living off people's fear of death...



Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.



You have done well to manage to reject the self-contradictory religion of men, but now look at the scripture and find the real God of Love that Jesus showed us...

Thus you are not against Jesus, but only against the FALSE image of him created by false religion of men's tradition....

We do not need a new God, and most men will NOT reject tehir false gods which they call God [or some other name] ... nor does God create any other real gods, only false ones for His purpose in THIS earth... thus all men WILL see in the new earth, but NOT YET !

All in all, I can create a God a hundred times better than the Christian God. A God who reveals himself to those who don't believe so that they may believe. Instead, with the Christian god you have to kiss his butt to get your prayers answered. He only performs miracles to those who are freakishly insane with Jesus.
Afterall, it is about dominion. A true living god would not care about dominion but care about delivering the poor and needy in this lifetime.
The holy trinity is a false god. If they do not deliver men in this life then they are not worthy of praise. God should be the god of the living. The holy trinity is the God of the dead. Because the only true way to meet God face to face is to die.

 

[stranger]

All in all, I can create a God a hundred times better than the Christian God.

Yeah, but the real God of scripture and Jesus is even better than either of those ...

A God who reveals himself to those who don't believe so that they may believe.

God has promised to reveal Himself and all truth to all men when the time comes for that, you simply do not appreciate that you are created for God's purpose, it is for you to understand God, not for Him to conform to watever foolish view is current in the minds of the many who do not know Him...

Instead, with the Christian god you have to kiss his butt to get your prayers answered.

Nay my friend, religionists ask you to kiss their butt and grease their palms for the doubtful blessings [in words only] of their false gods , but God never did so...

As for prayers, God has NEVER indicated that He will answer any prayer that is against His will , so if you think that you want something there is no point in asking God unless it is in line with HIS plans, not yours!... so find out from scripture and prayer and meditation what god's plans are ,then you will not waste your time asking for things which you never ahd any chance of receiving except from Satan [and even then only with God's permission]...

He only performs miracles to those who are freakishly insane with Jesus.

'Miracles' are only for specific purposes, they are also only performed by saints [one in a million], not by just anyone [until the antichrist manifests and performs great lying wonders and fools most men that he is God...

After all, it is about dominion. A true living god would not care about dominion but care about delivering the poor and needy in this lifetime.

That is your own idea, it is not what God says ... rather he has a purpose in THIS earth and will redeem all the poor and needy in the new earth where men live lovingly together having been given all truth at last and have only trial of their thus-GIVEN faith in the only REAL God tried to perfect their love [just as Jesus and the few saints did in this life]

The holy trinity is a false god.

I think it is trivially obvious from scripture that there are more than just three aspects to God , God for insatnce has more than just one son , more than just one spirit ... the total is not three , but why count anyway ??? ...

So the God image of traditional christianity is rather easily seen to be the image created by Satan , not the true God, but that false image MUST be and MUST dominate almost all men before Jesus returns...

If they do not deliver men in this life then they are not worthy of praise.

God does not seek praise from any but Jesus and theb saints in this life, so He does not ask sinners to think that he is worthy of praise yet [in fact until He has given all truth unto all men in the new earth] ... but He does have a sensible plan to redeem Jesus, then a few to be kings and priests under Jesus , and only then, in the new earth , does He redeem the vast masses of people who were sinners at death in THIS earth, freed from sin in death :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

God should be the god of the living.

God is the only real god, and life in the body is only a temporary ,temporal, thing ... what matters in the end is redemption to the spirit, not life in the body... but to be translated to spirit one must first be perfected in love and ,as Jesus and the saints did, that can ONLY be acheived by TRIAL of GIVEN faith... most men simply are not GIVEN that faith NOW ... so most men simply cannot be perfectly loving in this life, unlovingness always creeps in with almost everyone...

The holy trinity is the God of the dead. Because the only true way to meet God face to face is to die.

I have met God face to face and I still do not know why i did not die, I was terribly ill for three days afterwards because the image of what I am was so terrible to me [that i cannot even bear to remember all that He pointed out was wrong with EVERYTHING about my way of 'life'....

Most men have come to accept life as a slow way of death , and indeed it must be so, but if youwant to meet God face-to-face then youcan do so in meditation [ceasing from one's own thoughts in a quiet comfortable palce where you will not be disturbed and can listen to God for once without thought interrupting ... quite natural, but it takes some folks a whole week to stop the insidious habit of thinking all the time!]

What you can be sure of though is that whether you like it or not, that god will not redeem the many until the new earth, because He has said so [despite that very few people believe this even though it is written down in the scriptures] ... so een the saints need patience with God's great plan, and most men really do have to wait through daeth, so God can show them his power to restore men to life in His kingdom come in the new earth... and men really will live lovingly together there, unlike this world...

BUT God does require taht we are His eyes to SEE the evil of THIS world and reject its corrupt ways in religion, politics, commerce, wars, societies in general...

so 'tough luck on us' we might think , but that is what we are , why we were created at all...

Even Jesus and the saints suffered unjustly in this world for sake of God .... God requires to have known about BOTH evil in this world and good in the new earth BEFORE the whole creation is redeemed in Him :-

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

So no eternal torment despite what religionists teach on basis of corruptiing a few lines of scripture :-

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So God is the god of ALL life and of life IN THE SPIRIT , BEYOND the lives we know in this world and the new earth, for EVERYONE!

But He will do it His DECLARED way, not yours ...

 

[Emmy]

Dear livingone, when the Bible talks about the god of this world, it means Satan, the one who blinds men and women into believing, that his(Satan`s ) way, is the right way. God is the God of the whole Universe, God and Jehovah, are the same. We call Him God, and the Jews call Him Jehovah. There is NO new god, Only ONE GOD, the great Jehovah, Creator of Heaven and Earth. I say this kindly and with humility, livingone, and send greetings. Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[livingone]

Dear livingone, when the Bible talks about the god of this world, it means Satan, the one who blinds men and women into believing, that his(Satan`s ) way, is the right way. God is the God of the whole Universe, God and Jehovah, are the same. We call Him God, and the Jews call Him Jehovah. There is NO new god, Only ONE GOD, the great Jehovah, Creator of Heaven and Earth. I say this kindly and with humility, livingone, and send greetings. Emmy, sister in Christ.

So are you telling me Satan is evil? And how could this be Satan's world when God created heaven and earth, formed man out of the dust and commanded them not to eat from the tree of knowledge? Isn't it the Serpent the one who opened up the eyes of Adam and Eve? Then how could he be the blind God? Isn't it what he said, the day you eat from the tree, your eyes shall be opened and you shall see as the gods? How could he be the blind god when he opened up their eyes?
Your just making that stuff up that Satan is the blind God. Jehovah is the blind God. Did he not command you to not eat from the tree? That is a blind decision. What is so wrong with having knowledge between good and evil? Nothing. Satan is the teacher of knowledge--the opener of eyes--the clarity of truth.
Look at how blind Jehovah has made you. God cursed the earth because someone ate a piece of fruit? That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Coming from a blind god, I shall curse the earth because you ate a piece of fruit. Man's stupidity never ceases to amaze me.