A new CF, an old vision

[RedTulipMom]

I think people are jumping to conclusions here. They're way of life is threatened, and they feel scared. I'm not good at arguing but I'll say this: Settle down.

The world isn't ending. Maybe you guys just haven't had a chance to experience how things will work. Give it a chance once things are implemented, and wait it out until things progress and mature fully. Patience is good. Yup.

I post at a website called uberchristians and the idea there is to have complete openness. No secrets or any of that. In theory it's some sort of anarchy, but it isn't. We respect each other, and our beliefs for the most part. There are flames and they are simply moved to an area flames go. I have sorta played devil's advocate, and pushed the system of their so-called openness and things seem to have worked out pretty well. So yeah, I'm saying "chill" because this isn't nearly as bad as you probably think it is.

And even if it was, it still wouldn't be as bad as you think it is.

this is some very wise advice..thanks for sharing this!

 

[openup4christ]

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[dignitized]

And I have no problem with that Grace.

However, He never condoned sin. Ever. If you think he condoned sin - show me with scripture.

And when it was time, the word Christian was used. It should mean something - not just any ole thing one creates.

Jesus never condoned sin - but then neither did he spurn the company of sinners.

 

[kiwimac]

CF is no longer a christian site...it's a secular one with christian flavor

Friend,

How would you know that? You are judging before seeing.

 

[icedtea]

People kept complaining and now see what happened.
I think its a truly bad idea. No warnings? Watch how much fun the 'debates' will be now.

 

[wmc1982]

I just want someone to answer a question for me. . .if we can now call ourselves Christian just because we think we are, then on what basis is CF going to be governed? It used to be the Bible. But now it seems that even if someone believes something totally unBiblical but yet still wants to call themselves a Christian then they are free to do so. So if this site is not longer being governed by the Bible, then whose to say what is right or wrong? For instance, if I want to start swearing at someone, whose to say it is wrong for me to do so? You have your morality and I have my own.

he does have a point...

 

[Glass*Soul]

What was so wrong with having an area where everyone could socialize, and an area where just Christians could go for support, where teenagers could go for some sound Biblical advice?

For me the problem was that the areas where non-Nicene members were allowed to engage in substantive discussion were by definition debate forums covering a limited number of topics. As much as I've enjoyed apologetics debates for the last two years, it began to break my heart to be excluded from so much that I wished to discuss.

I can't see the future, and I think I do understand your concerns, but it's quite possible that the non-Nicene members will remain a small minority and, what's more, a small minority now spread over a much larger area. Even if everyone of us were entirely bent on being unpleasant and disruptive (which most of us are not) we could hardly make our presence known in all of the thousands of topics on this board.

It's even possible that knowing that one of us may be not only watching but apt to join in with a pointed question at any moment may help lift the tone of some discussions. It's harder for family to fight when there are neighbors watching.

Give us a chance.

 

[dignitized]

ERWIN - so where should be be looking for updates or the like? Where will be find info about how these reforms will be carried through? AND - when will things get fixed so I can change my signature??? please

 

[TasManOfGod]

Sounds great,every point of stage 1 is just what most of us wanted

I hope you will delete for good every single letter from the secret forums,if I ever come close to believeing in existence of evil,it was looking at the stuff happening in there.

This is just an amazing news Erwin,thank God for bringing you back,and without a fear

Amazing simply amazing -and to think this is a Christian message board

 

[Victory of the Cross]

We Ewirn never in my wildest dreams did i think you would sell out this big.. good riddance

 

[Melethiel]

*second place marker*

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel_Rigby
I just want someone to answer a question for me. . .if we can now call ourselves Christian just because we think we are, then on what basis is CF going to be governed? It used to be the Bible. But now it seems that even if someone believes something totally unBiblical but yet still wants to call themselves a Christian then they are free to do so. So if this site is not longer being governed by the Bible, then whose to say what is right or wrong? For instance, if I want to start swearing at someone, whose to say it is wrong for me to do so? You have your morality and I have my own.

he does have a point...


Yuha!!!!!!

 

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[none the wiser]

For me the problem was that the areas where non-Nicene members were allowed to engage in substantive discussion were by definition debate forums covering a limited number of topics. As much as I've enjoyed apologetics debates for the last two years, it began to break my heart to be excluded from so much that I wished to discuss.

I can't see the future, and I think I do understand your concerns, but it's quite possible that the non-Nicene members will remain a small minority and, what's more, a small minority now spread over a much larger area. Even if everyone of us were entirely bent on being unpleasant and disruptive (whihc most of us are not) we could hardly make our presence known in all of the thousands of topics on this board.

It's even possible that knowing that one of us may be not only watching but apt to join in with a pointed question may help lift the tone of some discussions. It's harder for family to fight when there are neighbors watching.

Give us a chance.

Good post. And it's great to see you again glass*soul

 

[Miracle Storm]

Overreacting much are we? and not taking advice from someone because of their religion? grow the heck up. My advice is as valid as anyone on the forum, unless of course they have some advanced training.

Not according to my Bible.
Psalm 14:1
Psalm 53:1
Romans 1:21

Shouldn't we be using this as an opportunity to talk to non-Christians, and perhaps help them to decide to become Christians?

We should be doing that already. That doesn't mean they should be moderating this forum. Or fellowshipping where vulnerable members are, or being involved in serious Christian discussions just to cause a problem and believe me they do.
Have you ever made a visit to GA?

I wonder though.. what about people who come truly seeking to find the TRUTH? I mean, there is one true way. I believe CF has been a light. But we shouldn't just make it so that there are overwhelming amounts of false things (darkness) being taught so that those seeking to find the truth get lost. It just concerns me.

There will be all sorts of clouded darkeness and heretical teachings thrown about. This will be an anything goes era.....even sin will be promoted around here it seems.
2 Timothy 3
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

He hated sin yes!!!

...but He love's the sinner...so much that He died for us all!!!!

Hate the sin, love the sinner.
He died for us, YES. Those who accept Him as their Lord and Savior will be saved. Those are Christains. Those whom are saved through Christ.
We can still love the sinner without letting them guide us, moderate and be in every single forum in a supposed "Christian Forum" "Uniting all Christians as One Body in Christ"

2 Corinthians 6 14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."[c]
17"Therefore come out from them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you."[d]
18"I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."[e]

 

[FreeinChrist]

Jesus never condoned sin - but then neither did he spurn the company of sinners.

Never said we had to "spurn the company of sinners."
BTW - we ALL are sinners, doncha know?

However, He never condoned sin - which was a point I made earlier and it seems a bunch of assumptions are being made about it.
If He condoned sin - please show where in scripture.

 

[Leanna]

People kept complaining and now see what happened.
I think its a truly bad idea. No warnings? Watch how much fun the 'debates' will be now.

I agree on the warnings.... sort of..... posts should get deleted if they are really bad (not like it is now where they delete everything all the time probably even this post), and people should be warned for true rule violation.... but the things that people get warnings over here sometimes are just SOOOO absurd and tame.... I think warnings should be for serious true offenses .... less based on the particular moderator's personal opinion about your intentions because of a rule thats generically called "flaming" .... just about any post could be called flaming based on a person's point of view and it gets way out of hand. This might be solved by the new rules, so maybe there is nothing to fear.

 

[wmc1982]

Sounds great,every point of stage 1 is just what most of us wanted

I hope you will delete for good every single letter from the secret forums,if I ever come close to believeing in existence of evil,it was looking at the stuff happening in there.

This is just an amazing news Erwin,thank God for bringing you back,and without a fear

How about a freedom of information act, where we can look at all of those forums to see what was really going on?

 

[sparklecat]

I just want someone to answer a question for me. . .if we can now call ourselves Christian just because we think we are, then on what basis is CF going to be governed? It used to be the Bible. But now it seems that even if someone believes something totally unBiblical but yet still wants to call themselves a Christian then they are free to do so. So if this site is not longer being governed by the Bible, then whose to say what is right or wrong? For instance, if I want to start swearing at someone, whose to say it is wrong for me to do so? You have your morality and I have my own.

My way of looking at it is that Erwin isn't saying this site isn't to be Christian anymore, or that anyone who wants to claim they're a Christian is one. He's saying that it's not his place to tell someone they're not a Christian because only God can know that.

As to how the site is governed, it's hard to say at this point what is intended, but you don't have to agree with a rule to obey it or enforce it. While I don't personally agree that swearing is wrong, it would be wrong for me to do so at this site because I'm a participating member who agreed to follow the rules.

 

[openup4christ]

If Christian forums is to be run by members can we vote to have it back how it used to be??