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Perfect. And I got that from the start. WISDOM people. THINK about this - it's a good thing and meets the needs of all people.That's the idea.
The idea is not to have a blanket rule to discriminate against any CF member from serving as a moderator.
The idea is that s subforum membership will have the maturity enough to vote someone in to look after their subforum that they respect and trust - it is unlikely that for example a conservative congregational forum would vote an atheist in to moderate their forum.
But this might happen in GA, and that is fine, as long as the members of GA did the voting.
The idea is to trust the members to make the right decision for their subforum.
The rule - moderators can only moderate their own forums.
Category moderators can moderate the whole category (but all subforums in that category get to vote for a category moderator).
Supermoderators get to moderate the whole site - therefore the whole site gets to vote on supermoderators.
Based on the above model, it would make sense that only in subforums where there are a lot of non-Christians could a non-Christian be voted in to be a moderator.
Hope that makes sense.
If I'm not mistaken this is twice you have welcomed people to leave.
That was not my intention, no, but if she's going to threaten to leave, just do it. Spare the drama and the clogging of this thread with threatening to ban her daughter and telling other people to "grow up" and that they can say anything since "anything goes" .... that's not even useful....
Why don't we talk about the matter at hand here. How can we be the salt of the world without being in the world, or how can we make this a place that allows the world and still retain our saltiness?
Still wanting to leave the members in the dark while you have super secret meetings? The whole point of these plans is to stop that kind of nonsense, is it not?
He has already made the decisions, thats my concern. Now, its about him re-evaluating things (and not asking everyone's opinion first).We were all approached, in this very thread. It was announced ahead of time that both staff and members would be notified at the same time. I don't think you should infer that Erwin cares less about the staff just because he told everyone at the same time.
CF is no longer a christian site...it's a secular one with christian flavor
LOVE You too doll....yeah..whatever doll.
oh i don't actually plan to witness, I'm struggling with my own faith enough as it is.
Jesus is the only way!!!
Even He ate with tax collectors and sinners!!!
He did have a big problem with Pharisees and hypocrites...
However, your previous post, like this thread , shows why rules are needed and mods are needed.Yes like that...! There needs to be some standards of behavior and an understanding that even if one is not Christian, this is a Christian place.
That was not my intention, no, but if she's going to threaten to leave, just do it. Spare the drama and the clogging of this thread with threatening to ban her daughter and telling other people to "grow up" and that they can say anything since "anything goes" .... that's not even useful....
Why don't we talk about the matter at hand here. How can we be the salt of the world without being in the world, or how can we make this a place that allows the world and still retain our saltiness?
Some people may not report for that reason, but if enough people are reporting the same stalker openly that's a great deterent.I don't like this idea of voting on people to join staff... there are some pretty sick puppies on this forum, whose offenses are only known in private staff fora, and if they managed to finagle enough votes to get on staff, they could do so much damage. You would make those victims choose between being quietly stalked or openly humiliated.
I was in favor of this openness and transparency, but now I am not.
I guess I will vote to close those doors and perhaps leave CF myself.
Unfortunately I think we have seen his appreciation. But hey he holds no ill will if we leave. Yippee!!!!!I also do not understand why Erwin hasent said anything to the staff about it...... and hasent shown appreactation at all to us, and has only show us this.
I agree with you and I also have to add my dissapointmet with these new rules... they should at least be implemented one at a time and under a trial to see if it will work....I don't like this idea of voting on people to join staff... there are some pretty sick puppies on this forum, whose offenses are only known in private staff fora, and if they managed to finagle enough votes to get on staff, they could do so much damage. You would make those victims choose between being quietly stalked or openly humiliated.
do you even realize that the people who gave themselves to CF are literally crying right now? Being on staff isn't just a title! It's being part of a family! You're breaking up families and friendships! It goes deeper than the red "M" next to my name!
I wish you had included a thanks to all the staff that tried so hard to do what they could for CF. : (Hi all
I need to firstly give all glory to God for all He has done in my life. There is no question that He has blessed me with everything that I have and He deserves all the praise. God is good, all the time, and all the time, God is good.
[bible]Exodus 15:11[/bible]
I admit that I have neglected the running of CF for most of the past 12 months. This is because of 2 reason - Firstly, I have been truly busy - my day job is to run a hospital, and that is a very busy job. In addition, I am an elder in my church, and I also sit on various medical and legal committees outside of work. I am also studying a second Masters degree at the moment. I have a busy life.
However, the second reason why I have avoided CF is because CF has become like "hard work" to me - I no longer felt that visiting it was a positive thing. I did not look forward to reading negative posts about the site nor having to deal with PMs from various factions within CF wanting me to do something to support them. I had developed an aversion to the site - I dreaded clicking on my CF bookmark. I was in despair, to be honest. I suspect some of you, including staff members, have felt the same.
But God reminded me:
[bible]Jeremiah 1:5[/bible]
I had to return to my roots. Just as returning to your first love for God is important, I had to return to why I started CF in the first place. The original vision for CF. The vision I have for CF has always been to unite ALL Christians on the Internet. Somehow, the site has ended up dividing some Christians, and caused strife in the body of Christ. It doesn't matter that our intention was good - it is the outcome that matters. Sure, CF has done a lot in the lives of many, but the Bible says:
[bible]Luke 15:4[/bible]
CF is here for Christians on the Internet, and not the other way around. CF should not try to make Christians conform to what it believes to be Christian. Who am I to judge the heart of another man? I can't. CF should be a place of refuge, as ones who bear the name of the Lord, a strong tower for Christians to feel safe in. It should attract Christians because we raise Jesus up to draw all men unto him.
[bible]Proverbs 18:10[/bible]
CF should also be a lighthouse in the wilderness, to be a good testimony to those who are not Christians instead of showing the world that Christians are actually worse than they are.
[bible]Matthew 5:13-14[/bible]
We must be the light, not the ones that block the light.
Are we really helping each other by tearing each other down? Are we really being good witnesses to the world by refusing to let the world in? Are we that afraid of the dark when we have the Light of the world?
The Christian world is a world that is diverse. Make no mistake, we are all different, and we are meant to be that way.
[bible]1 Corinthians 12:15-18[/bible]
Instead of putting other Christians down because they do not believe in what we do, because we believe we have the "truth", we should celebrate our similarities and revel in our differences which makes us useful for God to be used in different settings for different people.
We are all part of the same body. One Body. One God.
Okay, enough proselytising.
Let's discuss the "new" CF. One thing to make clear is that these are things that I want happen, and that will happen, and whether staff or members agree with them or not, they are what I believe to be the right things to do. Some, maybe a lot, may disagree, but I believe it's time for a MAJOR paradigm shift at CF.
Unlike what people might have mistakenly expected, the "new" CF is NOT going to happen overnight.
It's going to happen in stages. However, there are mainly going to be 2 stages:
1. The first stage is the CULTURE change stage. This is going to start happening from TODAY but will be an ongoing process. This will involve:
a. Changing the site rules - simpler, less legalistic, and more open
b. Changing the way rules are developed or changed - wikify it! The rules process should be a member-initiated community-propelled, and consensus driven, not something that a minority can decide on.
c. Changing the way moderators are appointed - the members decide! There will be forum moderators, category moderators, and then super moderators. Members nominated, members vote, members appointed. Appointments are for a 12 months - at the end, can be renominated, or not. The power is with the people. And yes, if you are not a Christian, you can be on staff, if people vote for you to do so. The whole process will be open, transparent, and clear. What about current staff? They will all have to be renominated and voted in at some stage.
d. No more warnings. If God can forgive, so can we. Of course, consistent rule-breakers and trolls will still be banned, but hey, that's not going to be avoidable for any site. But not legitimate users.
e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.
h. Transparent appeals of moderator actions in a much more simpler format - with member input allowed - in fact, the community has a say in all appeals. The way it should be. As the community has written the rules up in the end.
i. No more hidden moderator forums - in fact, no hidden forums at all (except trash forums). If we can read it, you can read it. What is there to hide? If it has to be private, it can be in a PM. This will mean more transparency from all people.
The above outlines the setup of the new rules. A lot of the above cannot happen overnight, and will require some work. But the aim is for culture change at CF.
Many people, including current staff, will not be happy with the above, and some will quit, leave or resign. I bear you no ill-will - you do what you think is right, I do what I think is right. Yes, some of the above changes are controversial, and in fact, radical. But it's time for a total new way of looking at CF. We want to unite all Christians. Not just some.
2. The second stage is the TECHNOLOGY change stage. This is going to start happening over the next MONTH as this will involve extensive recoding and even software replacement. New features will be added. Members would have noticed that we have hit a hiatus in terms of new features being added and CF has not had a new feature for a long time. Well, I am looking at changing this. In the past, I've been the only server administrator, webmaster and coder. I've outsourced the server administration part of things, but there is room to outsource other things. The software behind CF requires a lot of improvements, and this WILL occur. I won't say too much about them because the second stage will be the part that will be most visible and trust me, when it happens, it will be obvious.
In other words, stage one, the culture change, is the change of CF's heart and soul, while stage two, the technology change, is the change of CF's look and body. In my mind, stage one is by far the most important. Both stages are hard to do.
Stage one starts now. Stage two will occur later and will mean some significant functionality changes.
[bible]2 Corinthians 1:10-12[/bible]
Let's go.
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