A new CF, an old vision

[PaladinValer]

Right on the money, JD. It seems to me that Staff duties have in fact inhibited people from acting as ministers. Those who should have shepherds' crooks have nothing but swords.

**Waves a large flag with CaDan's avatar on a field of white, reading "CaDan for Super Moderatorship!"**

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Which is why I'm leaving staff and putting it here, in public, for all to see so if anyone cares they don't have to go off speculating.

I don't do popularity contests of any sort. I just don't. I don't know if I'm "liked" enough to be kept around or hated enough to get the boot. That isn't the point.

I don't even like the mod of the month thing and gringe when my name goes up! Why? Because in school I was the one whose name never had a checkmark or vote beside it. Never picked for the kickball team even though I was good. I was the quiet nerd in the corner everybody loathed.

Now, why is this something I just can't handle? Because eventually there will be a vote for mods and someone who is really lovely, who does a lot behind the scenes for people, who is smart and funny and compassionate and would be a great mod won't have a checkmark next to their name or get a vote because they are quiet, or because they aren't in the right clique or something. And it will hurt.

Sorry. I just can't do it.

I'll still be around playing my little verse games and stuff and of course keeping my dollie well dressed, but that is why I'll be leaving staff. And thinking about the person on the ballot who might get hurt, I'm equally reminded it's high time to apologize to any member or fellow staff whom I have hurt with deeds or words. I apologize.

I wish CF the best and hope it goes great.

 

[kiwimac]

Meh,

I realise this is pushing all kinds of buttons for you but please ... don't react out of old hurts and pains, you are respected, cared-for and loved her. You are a fine Administrator. A minister in the deepest sense of the word.

 

[Leanna]

And all the Calvinists run off to make their own forum! We are no longer "the chosen" here!

Bye!!!

 

[JacobsDream]

Ooops

 

[CaDan]

The Mary-related one (or I think that was it). It had about 600 posts in a very short period of time when it was finally shut down something like 3 hours after it began. I remember starting a string of people reciting the Ave Maria in "protest" towards the beginning...

Oh, that one!

We got an entire rosary in!

And I'm not even that big into Mariology.

 

[kiwimac]

Sorry this isn't Rome, isn't even the outer suburbs.

 

[heavensangelwv]

I cannot read this thread as fast as it is growing

Rofl... I feel your pain

 

[TasManOfGod]

It seems the old school will always hide the sins of the old school comrades whereas God hides the sins of none

 

[No Swansong]

Indeed. And that's what should hopefully happen as membership get more of a say and vote on things. The mods can't hide behind their thrones in the appeals area as easily, nor can they crony up without the membership noticing and then saying when it comes time to vote, "Remember when these mods got together and ganged up on that one member?" Maybe some might say that means mods won't work as closely together. On one hand, if it stops cronyism, then it's not all that bad a thing. However, the question is about how to keep some check and balances in order to prevent the other form of tyranny found in mob rule - especially considering potential problems with people having agendas making members puppets for such things.

For now, I'm just glad to see the changes, and waiting to see what transpires.

Pax Tecum,

JOhn

It'll be interesting to see how majority rules works out.

 

[praying]

Which is why I'm leaving staff and putting it here, in public, for all to see so if anyone cares they don't have to go off speculating.

I don't do popularity contests of any sort. I just don't. I don't know if I'm "liked" enough to be kept around or hated enough to get the boot. That isn't the point.

I don't even like the mod of the month thing and gringe when my name goes up! Why? Because in school I was the one whose name never had a checkmark or vote beside it. Never picked for the kickball team even though I was good. I was the quiet nerd in the corner everybody loathed.

Now, why is this something I just can't handle? Because eventually there will be a vote for mods and someone who is really lovely, who does a lot behind the scenes for people, who is smart and funny and compassionate and would be a great mod won't have a checkmark next to their name or get a vote because they are quiet, or because they aren't in the right clique or something. And it will hurt.

Sorry. I just can't do it.

I'll still be around playing my little verse games and stuff and of course keeping my dollie well dressed, but that is why I'll be leaving staff. And thinking about the person on the ballot who might get hurt, I'm equally reminded it's high time to apologize to any member or fellow staff whom I have hurt with deeds or words. I apologize.

I wish CF the best and hope it goes great.

meh let me ask you a question. Don't you think this happens currently with the voting process that we have now?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Right on the money, JD. It seems to me that Staff duties have in fact inhibited people from acting as ministers. Those who should have shepherds' crooks have nothing but swords.

Oh darn, I was so enjoying judging you

 

[Erwin]

I take it all moderators are hereby terminated. Rather unceremoniously, it sounds.

Also, what will prevent debate in the congregation forums? Or is that all going out the door too?

Hi

No, I never said that. I said that current mods have to be renominated and re-voted back in at some stage - there will be a transition stage - which is undoubtedly difficult. At the moment current staff remain staff (unless they resign as some already have).

 

[nyj]

Which is why I'm leaving staff and putting it here, in public, for all to see so if anyone cares they don't have to go off speculating.

I don't do popularity contests of any sort. I just don't. I don't know if I'm "liked" enough to be kept around or hated enough to get the boot. That isn't the point.

I don't even like the mod of the month thing and gringe when my name goes up! Why? Because in school I was the one whose name never had a checkmark or vote beside it. Never picked for the kickball team even though I was good. I was the quiet nerd in the corner everybody loathed.

Now, why is this something I just can't handle? Because eventually there will be a vote for mods and someone who is really lovely, who does a lot behind the scenes for people, who is smart and funny and compassionate and would be a great mod won't have a checkmark next to their name or get a vote because they are quiet, or because they aren't in the right clique or something. And it will hurt.

Sorry. I just can't do it.

I'll still be around playing my little verse games and stuff and of course keeping my dollie well dressed, but that is why I'll be leaving staff. And thinking about the person on the ballot who might get hurt, I'm equally reminded it's high time to apologize to any member or fellow staff whom I have hurt with deeds or words. I apologize.

I wish CF the best and hope it goes great.

Go with God, meh. You are a great person, and you raise a very valid point. It was a pleasure to have you on staff and I appreciate your service and dedication to the job you volunteered to do.

 

[No Swansong]

And all the Calvinists run off to make their own forum! We are no longer "the chosen" here!

Bye!!!

What do you mean by this?

 

[Ben johnson]

And yes, if you are not a Christian, you can be on staff, if people vote for you to do so.

It's clear this will get lost in the flood, but --- the point of Christian Forums is to serve God, through Jesus. The "Nicene Creed" has been the best standard of agreement; by allowing staff to be "non-Christians", atheists, Hindus, and anyone, we will no longer be a Christian site.

When I say "God bless", and another staff member responds "Allah be with you, peace be with Mohammed", how am I to respond?

The Christian world is a world that is diverse. Make no mistake, we are all different, and we are meant to be that way.

Not really --- there are many people who declare "Jesus is only a man, had a beginning, and is not divine." And in the same breath, declare "we are Christian".

Staff on a Christian website are called on to minister to people --- we are seen as "elders in a church"; with respect to all, what ministry will atheists have for those seeking Jesus?

e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].

There are "new Christians", and there are "weak Christians". Now --- there will be no "safe harbor", where they can nurtured and strengthened in Christ. Anyone who is an "unbeliever in Christ", can give their own counsel to those struggling with faith.

...and lead them astray...

The "Christian only" forums had as its purpose a place where Christians can fellowship, teach and learn, without deceptive influence. Removing that section, removes that protection.

Many people, including current staff, will not be happy with the above, and some will quit, leave or resign. I bear you no ill-will - you do what you think is right, I do what I think is right. Yes, some of the above changes are controversial, and in fact, radical. But it's time for a total new way of looking at CF. We want to unite all Christians. Not just some.

It's not a question of whether "many people" or "staff" will be happy; it is a question (and I mean no disrespect), of whether God will be happy.

I know you mean well; I know you opened this site to promote Jesus and to serve God, and to promote Christian fellowship. All groups were invited here, Christian or not; and groups who refer to themselves as Christian, but do not follow the Creeds, are invited here --- that we may share the real Jesus with them.

Scripture has absolutes --- Jesus is God, salvation is through no one else. Salvation is by His grace, through our faith; works are but the consequence of what the indwelling persons of Jesus and the Holy Spirit do in and through us. If we compromise foundational absolutes such as these, then we are no longer serving Jesus.

James said (4:4), "Friendship with the world, is enmity against God". In our trying to be "uniting all Christians", let us not compromise the absolutes Jesus has given us.

Praying for a website that will promote Jesus, answer the other religions and beliefs, and please God.

 

[MariaRegina]

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And growing. So many new faces that we haven't seen in ages.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

We need to believe Jesus was right when he CHOSE to fellowship with Prostitutes, Tax-Collectors and others, we need to accept that the Spirit blows where It will.

Che? Who's talking about fellowshipping??

Jesus sent His disciples out to spread the gospel and minister to people. Paul became a Christian before having any authority. When Paul hated Christians, would he have been a good choice?

 

[Glaz]

Sorry this isn't Rome, isn't even the outer suburbs.

obviously that was a joke, but thanks for entertaining me by taking it seriously!

 

[heymikey80]

Come on people, a little 'mob rule' never hurt anyone.....

Tell that to the people injured and killed by mobs!

I just think that Christian Forums is no longer entitled to that name. Let's call it was it is...
POLL

You're being so kind. I was thinking "melee".

I would add the subtitle in place of yours: "A brave stab at hope".

Stab at hope. mmm, a frightening word picture, even if unintended.

Praying for God to be in control here on CF.

Yep.