sparklecat
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A simple rule in the majority of the formerly CO subforums, such as 'keep the apologetics discussions out of here' would take care of that.
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Erwin. Let's be real. There was a world of middle ground. You've opened up areas where *vulnerable* and *baby* Christians will be at the mercy of people who think Christianity is ridiculous.
You personally have no desire to cause problems. *Most* of the non-Christians here have no desire to cause problems. However some do. A community-created rule will have little bearing on their desire to disrupt and inform all Christians that they're delusional.A simple rule in the majority of the formerly CO subforums, such as 'keep the apologetics discussions out of here' would take care of that.
You personally have no desire to cause problems. *Most* of the non-Christians here have no desire to cause problems. However some do. A community-created rule will have little bearing on their desire to disrupt and inform all Christians that they're delusional.
Apologetics shouldn't be forfeited in any way.
Non-Christians should NOT be treated as lower class members.
However, nor should Christians. And as things stand, a forum whose mission is now purely relatavistic, Christians who believe the Bible to the inerrant Word will be treated as such. This is unacceptable.
And your response still doesn't deal with the issue of vulnerable and baby Christians. They are a very real concern. Just as much as providing outreach to non-Christians.
An example, k?I'm a bit confused; what would you have done, then, to protect them? If the rules don't allow the non-Christians to come in and preach/debate Christianity in certain subforums, what more do you think is needed?
That could be dealt with by a forum-specific rule that spiritual warfare can't be debated there.An example, k?
When people become Christians, they frequently find themselves coming under spiritual attack. Severe depression is the most common. If a baby Christian was to join specifically to get advice as to what to do, or to ask why it was happening, and they were to go to the Spiritual Warfare forum... if someone who is now allowed in there says: "you're just mentally sick." Or "Oh, just kill yourself..." or "There's no such thing as the devil, or spirits. You're mental..." you've *no* idea how much damage that can do. None whatsoever.
There needs to be safeguards in place. There absolutely needs to be if this is going to remain a Christian site in any way. The priority now is on non-Christians, and that's wrong. It needs to be on *all* people.
An example, k?
When people become Christians, they frequently find themselves coming under spiritual attack. Severe depression is the most common. If a baby Christian was to join specifically to get advice as to what to do, or to ask why it was happening, and they were to go to the Spiritual Warfare forum... if someone who is now allowed in there says: "you're just mentally sick." Or "Oh, just kill yourself..." or "There's no such thing as the devil, or spirits. You're mental..." you've *no* idea how much damage that can do. None whatsoever.
There needs to be safeguards in place. There absolutely needs to be if this is going to remain a Christian site in any way. The priority now is on non-Christians, and that's wrong. It needs to be on *all* people.
That could be dealt with by a forum-specific rule that spiritual warfare can't be debated there.
An example, k?
When people become Christians, they frequently find themselves coming under spiritual attack. Severe depression is the most common. If a baby Christian was to join specifically to get advice as to what to do, or to ask why it was happening, and they were to go to the Spiritual Warfare forum... if someone who is now allowed in there says: "you're just mentally sick." Or "Oh, just kill yourself..." or "There's no such thing as the devil, or spirits. You're mental..." you've *no* idea how much damage that can do. None whatsoever.
There needs to be safeguards in place. There absolutely needs to be if this is going to remain a Christian site in any way. The priority now is on non-Christians, and that's wrong. It needs to be on *all* people.
Except that sort of rule wouldn't prevent someone from doing that. Certain forums need to go back to being CO. Not fellowshipping ones, not games ones, not even theology ones. But forums geared solely towards receiving and giving Christiand advice and prayer need to stay CO.
Non-Christian... however their tenure as a member has little bearing in terms of the affect they would have on the person seeking help. A new member doing that would be just as detrimental as a seasoned member.Was it a Christian or a non-Christian who did this recently, GM? Secondly, was it a newbie or a seasoned CF poster? My gut tells me it was someone who has not been around very long.
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I'm confused... do you think Christians would never advise someone to seek medical advice?Well, telling anyone who's depressed to just kill themselves isn't something I see being allowed by the core rules. Regarding the issue in general though, it isn't a good idea to rule out the idea that it might be actual clinical depression either. If that opinion and suggestions to see a doctor can be expressed in a polite way, I don't think that's a bad thing. Do you?
There shouldn't have to be rules. Forums such as prayer requests/Christian advice and spiritual warfare need to remain CO. Not to exclude people, but to allow vulnerable people to feel safe.So while a subforum rule such as 'you may not suggest getting medical advice rather than seeking only a spiritual solution' might not be warranted, something such as 'do not demean people's beliefs while offering secular advice' could do something to address this. This is obviously just off the top of my head - people dedicating more than five minutes to writing such a rule could probably do more to protect people.
Except that sort of rule wouldn't prevent someone from doing that. Certain forums need to go back to being CO. Not fellowshipping ones, not games ones, not even theology ones. But forums geared solely towards receiving and giving Christiand advice and prayer need to stay CO.
Non-Christian... however their tenure as a member has little bearing in terms of the affect they would have on the person seeking help. A new member doing that would be just as detrimental as a seasoned member.
If someone wants prayer from their Christian brethren, then I think it would be wholly inappropriate, yes.Would you have a problem with a non-Christian theist going into a prayer forum and saying they were praying for someone?
I have, unfortunately, seen it happen before. I don't think the majority would, but it's very very dangerous when it does happen.I'm confused... do you think Christians would never advise someone to seek medical advice?
There shouldn't have to be rules. Forums such as prayer requests/Christian advice and spiritual warfare need to remain CO. Not to exclude people, but to allow vulnerable people to feel safe.
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