Collosians 4 , 3:5 says " So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual sin, impurity, lust and shameful desires. Don't be greedy for the good things of this life , for that is idolatry." Please explain the meaning of this in modern terms. What exactly is considered "sexual sin, impurity, lust and shameful desire" in todays world?
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Veitch's translation give the passage as follows:
"...Seek therefore to develop wholesome attitudes towards sex and sexuality. Control your desire to acquire more and more. You can only satisfy such a desire by cheating others and depriving them of their rights and this is idolatory..."
Searching for Identity and Founding the Church. Volume 2 of the New Testament in a modern translation arranged in chronological order. Veitch, James. Colcom Press, NZ.
J.B. Phillips translates it as:
"... In so far, then, as you have to live upon this earth, consider yourselves dead to worldly contacts: have nothing to do with sexual immorality, dirty-mindedness, uncontrolled passion, evil desire, and the lust for other people's goods, which last, remember, is as serious a sin as idolatory..."
In the Greek this passage is as follows:
"... nekr?sate oun ta mel? ta epi t?s g?s porneian akatharsian pathos epithymian kak?n kai t?n pleonexian ?tis estin eid?lolatreia..." (Tischendorf's)
The key words are as follows (ISTM)
porneia por-ni'-ah; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication
akatharsia ak-ath-ar-see'-ah ; impurity (the quality), physically or morally:--uncleanness
pathos path'-os; properly, suffering ("pathos"), i.e. (subjectively) a passion (especially concupiscence):-- (inordinate) affection, lust.
epithumia ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah; a longing (especially for what is forbidden):--concupiscence, desire, lust (after).
and
pleonexia pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; avarice, i.e. (by implication) fraudulency, extortion:--covetous(-ness) practices, greediness.
I hope this helps
Kiwimac
"...Seek therefore to develop wholesome attitudes towards sex and sexuality. Control your desire to acquire more and more. You can only satisfy such a desire by cheating others and depriving them of their rights and this is idolatory..."
Searching for Identity and Founding the Church. Volume 2 of the New Testament in a modern translation arranged in chronological order. Veitch, James. Colcom Press, NZ.
J.B. Phillips translates it as:
"... In so far, then, as you have to live upon this earth, consider yourselves dead to worldly contacts: have nothing to do with sexual immorality, dirty-mindedness, uncontrolled passion, evil desire, and the lust for other people's goods, which last, remember, is as serious a sin as idolatory..."
In the Greek this passage is as follows:
"... nekr?sate oun ta mel? ta epi t?s g?s porneian akatharsian pathos epithymian kak?n kai t?n pleonexian ?tis estin eid?lolatreia..." (Tischendorf's)
The key words are as follows (ISTM)
porneia por-ni'-ah; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication
akatharsia ak-ath-ar-see'-ah ; impurity (the quality), physically or morally:--uncleanness
pathos path'-os; properly, suffering ("pathos"), i.e. (subjectively) a passion (especially concupiscence):-- (inordinate) affection, lust.
epithumia ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah; a longing (especially for what is forbidden):--concupiscence, desire, lust (after).
and
pleonexia pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; avarice, i.e. (by implication) fraudulency, extortion:--covetous(-ness) practices, greediness.
I hope this helps
Kiwimac
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DaveKerwin
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To me, God is asking here that we begin to live our lives as
God's people, not as the worldly people act. God wants us to
honor him with our sexuality and obey his rules about sex. God
wants us to get rid of lust and any other sin. Basically, God desires
that we stop the old way we used to live, and begin living the
right way as he describes in the Bible. So the key here is to read
God's word to know what he wants, then to obey him. God will
teach you what he wants you to change. Ask him to show you
and I am confident he will. Please read this below....
This is a translation called the Message:
Colossians 3: 1-17
He Is Your Life.
So if you're serious about living this new resurrection life with Christ, act like it. Pursue the things over which Christ presides. Don't shuffle along, eyes to the ground, absorbed with the things right in front of you. Look up, and be alert to what is going on around Christ--that's where the action is. See things from his perspective.
Your old life is dead. Your new life, which is your real life--even though invisible to spectators--is with Christ in God. He is your life. When Christ (your real life, remember) shows up again on this earth, you'll show up, too--the real you, the glorious you. Meanwhile, be content with obscurity, like Christ. And that means killing off everything connected with that way of death: sexual promiscuity, impurity, lust, doing whatever you feel like whenever you feel like it, and grabbing whatever attracts your fancy. That's a life shaped by things and feelings instead of by God. It's because of this kind of thing that God is about to explode in anger. It wasn't long ago that you were doing all that stuff and not knowing any better. But you know better now, so make sure it's all gone for good: bad temper, irritability, meanness, profanity, dirty talk.
Don't lie to one another. You're done with that old life. It's like a filthy set of ill-fitting clothes you've stripped off and put in the fire. Now you're dressed in a new wardrobe. Every item of your new way of life is custom-made by the Creator, with his label on it. All the old fashions are now obsolete. Words like Jewish and non-Jewish, religious and irreligious, insider and outsider, uncivilized and uncouth, slave and free, mean nothing. From now on everyone is defined by Christ, everyone is included in Christ.
So, chosen by God for this new life of love, dress in the wardrobe God picked out for you: compassion, kindness, humility, quiet strength, discipline. Be even-tempered, content with second place, quick to forgive an offense. Forgive as quickly and completely as the Master forgave you. And regardless of what else you put on, wear love. It's your basic, all-purpose garment. Never be without it.
Let the peace of Christ keep you in tune with each other, in step with each other. None of this going off and doing your own thing. And cultivate thankfulness. Let the Word of Christ--the Message--have the run of the house. Give it plenty of room in your lives. Instruct and direct one another using good common sense. And sing, sing your hearts out to God! Let every detail in your lives--words, actions, whatever--be done in the name of the Master, Jesus, thanking God the Father every step of the way.
God's people, not as the worldly people act. God wants us to
honor him with our sexuality and obey his rules about sex. God
wants us to get rid of lust and any other sin. Basically, God desires
that we stop the old way we used to live, and begin living the
right way as he describes in the Bible. So the key here is to read
God's word to know what he wants, then to obey him. God will
teach you what he wants you to change. Ask him to show you
and I am confident he will. Please read this below....
This is a translation called the Message:
Colossians 3: 1-17
He Is Your Life.
So if you're serious about living this new resurrection life with Christ, act like it. Pursue the things over which Christ presides. Don't shuffle along, eyes to the ground, absorbed with the things right in front of you. Look up, and be alert to what is going on around Christ--that's where the action is. See things from his perspective.
Your old life is dead. Your new life, which is your real life--even though invisible to spectators--is with Christ in God. He is your life. When Christ (your real life, remember) shows up again on this earth, you'll show up, too--the real you, the glorious you. Meanwhile, be content with obscurity, like Christ. And that means killing off everything connected with that way of death: sexual promiscuity, impurity, lust, doing whatever you feel like whenever you feel like it, and grabbing whatever attracts your fancy. That's a life shaped by things and feelings instead of by God. It's because of this kind of thing that God is about to explode in anger. It wasn't long ago that you were doing all that stuff and not knowing any better. But you know better now, so make sure it's all gone for good: bad temper, irritability, meanness, profanity, dirty talk.
Don't lie to one another. You're done with that old life. It's like a filthy set of ill-fitting clothes you've stripped off and put in the fire. Now you're dressed in a new wardrobe. Every item of your new way of life is custom-made by the Creator, with his label on it. All the old fashions are now obsolete. Words like Jewish and non-Jewish, religious and irreligious, insider and outsider, uncivilized and uncouth, slave and free, mean nothing. From now on everyone is defined by Christ, everyone is included in Christ.
So, chosen by God for this new life of love, dress in the wardrobe God picked out for you: compassion, kindness, humility, quiet strength, discipline. Be even-tempered, content with second place, quick to forgive an offense. Forgive as quickly and completely as the Master forgave you. And regardless of what else you put on, wear love. It's your basic, all-purpose garment. Never be without it.
Let the peace of Christ keep you in tune with each other, in step with each other. None of this going off and doing your own thing. And cultivate thankfulness. Let the Word of Christ--the Message--have the run of the house. Give it plenty of room in your lives. Instruct and direct one another using good common sense. And sing, sing your hearts out to God! Let every detail in your lives--words, actions, whatever--be done in the name of the Master, Jesus, thanking God the Father every step of the way.
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