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He is wrong about this. See Romans 10:8-13.
No authentic Christian doubts that. They are not in addition to confessing Jesus as Savior. Romans 10:8-13. They are references for our Spiritual learning.
We cannot take scriptures out of context and then hurl them at each other. There is one Lord, one Faith, one Holy Spirit Baptism, one God and Father of us all.Probably a good idea. Thing is, take Winken for instance and no offense towards him...or actually don't take him, it could be anyone with his view. They may say don't worry about baptism, it's all so simple and so forth, just believe/repent, and while that much is true, there may be more. The bible indicates baptism is necessary, so it is not that simple, not even close. I mean what are we supposed to do, throw verses out that indicate baptism as a must? I can't even tell you for sure, but would do it just to be on the safe side. It really is a shame we got things so messed up, there is no clear way know something like that, but that's just what has happened as far as I' can see.
Then we have the part where people say God loves us unconditionally...strongly indicating, we cannot be lost once we are saved. Yet there again, there are verses that say something completely different than that...we need to hang on until the end, keep our guard up and continue to work at it. It's a must to take care of the poor for instance...the scripture on the sheep and goats prove it, plus there are several verses giving lists of things that we can do to keep us out of the kingdom of heaven. IOW there ARE conditions. Of that I am not confused.
This is something you need to work on yourself, and might be best to believe no man when it comes to some of this stuff because it's very seruious business, and our eternal future depends on it. Or I should say listen and ask just as you are doing but don't solely take ours or some know it all preachers word for it. Follow Gods way, not mans. And I should add, you have given no indication you are going to take the wrong path, and you may be aware of all I say, just want to make sure.
Pray about it, read that bible, and do just as you are doing here....seek, and ye shall find. If you aren't sure you've found it, keep seeking
In the end we have to live with the consequences of our actions/decisions, and live with it for a long time so all I ask is we all be careful and not put that in the hands of others, not completely anyway....
But if that's the way to be baptised in Jesus Christ name and not by the prayer that I was thought that would save me then I must. But also in conjunction with spreading the Lord's gospel.
If you honestly think that, you are arguing with Jesus, not with him.
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The thing I heard I was that the baptism is supposed to be done in Jesus name and I honestly can't remember if it was or not.
People who make a point that it be done "in Jesus' name" normally are arguing that a baptism as done by the overwhelming majority of Christian churches--"In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost" ...
Actually, when the Lord Jesus speaks in John 3 of being born again, this does refer to the time when the sinner repents and believes and the new birth occurs by the Spirit of God; it's not a physical re-birth bu a spiritual one. In fact, Paul to the Romans says, If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
What I meant was that I don't see in Scripture the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer as some subsequent, separate event after conversion through faith in the Lord Jesus.
