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Hi,

I'm not Christian but respect and enjoying learning about all faiths. I've got a pretty basic question so please forgive me if it's been asked many times before! I'm also going to paraphrase a little bit on my understanding so please be patient if I over simplify.

So in the beginning;
1. God existed in heaven.
2. God created angels and existed with them
3. Lucifer rebelled and God created Hell and sent him there to become Satan
4. God created the Earth and everything else

Is that right? Did it happen in that order?
 
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Hi,

I'm not Christian but respect and enjoying learning about all faiths. I've got a pretty basic question so please forgive me if it's been asked many times before! I'm also going to paraphrase a little bit on my understanding so please be patient if I over simplify.

So in the beginning;
1. God existed in heaven.
2. God created angels and existed with them
3. Lucifer rebelled and God created Hell and sent him there to become Satan
4. God created the Earth and everything else

Is that right? Did it happen in that order?
Hey, welcome.

God did indeed exist in heaven and created angels. I am unsure at what point hell came into existence, but I can say that Satan didn't create it, it is prepared for beings by God Matthew 25:41. When Satan rebelled he wasn't cast to hell, he was cat out of heaven down to earth along with the other rebelling angels Revelation 12:9. Then yes, God created the earth and such.
 
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Hi,

I'm not Christian but respect and enjoying learning about all faiths. I've got a pretty basic question so please forgive me if it's been asked many times before! I'm also going to paraphrase a little bit on my understanding so please be patient if I over simplify.

So in the beginning;
1. God existed in heaven.
2. God created angels and existed with them
3. Lucifer rebelled and God created Hell and sent him there to become Satan
4. God created the Earth and everything else

Is that right? Did it happen in that order?

We don't know. I think that God created the earth and started the process for humanity before some of 1/3 of the angels became broken though. That would explain a lot. I don't have much biblical support for this idea, but perhaps the material world was a gift for the angels in general or Lucifer specifically, which is why he is able to wreak so much havoc here. After his rebellion, God made plans to save humanity from his clutches. It's just a theory, not doctrine.

I think that hell is both literal and figurative at the same time. I don't think there is a specific place in our dimensional world called hell, like other places exist, but one can be in hell, whether alive or dead, if separated from God. There is something different, called the abyss in Revelation, that probably is a more tangible thing, maybe a black hole or a looping worm hole or dark matter or something.

Also, I don't think God sent a fallen angel to hell to become satan. Satan is just a name meaning the accuser. He hates humanity because we are now the heirs of God's creation, so he constantly accuses us of wrongdoing and evil. A classic case of projection!
 
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Hi,

I'm not Christian but respect and enjoying learning about all faiths. I've got a pretty basic question so please forgive me if it's been asked many times before! I'm also going to paraphrase a little bit on my understanding so please be patient if I over simplify.

So in the beginning;
1. God existed in heaven.
2. God created angels and existed with them
3. Lucifer rebelled and God created Hell and sent him there to become Satan
4. God created the Earth and everything else

Is that right? Did it happen in that order?

1. God existed in heaven. Somewhat; but "heaven" literally means "the sky" that big blue thing above us. Earth and heaven are employed by God as metaphors of "empirical reality" and "abstract reality". This is why everything on the earth is all, formed, and has shapes, and definite appearances, and is all very, "concrete" as "empirical" things are want to be. But look up in the sky and what do you see? Very unformed things; wisps of nebulous vapors drifting on an open canvas. This is a metaphor of abstract reality, the realm of, ideas, and, imaginings, and most importantly: consciousness. This is what God is, pure consciousness which dwells in abstraction, and from which all empirical things are manifested and given form.

2. The bible never says when God created angels. Your understanding is based on traditions of men, but it's not in the bible.

3. No, this never happened in the bible, it's more traditional mythology. The word "Lucifer" means something like "light bearer" and is actually from the Latin, especially the Vulgate translation of Jerome, in which, this is actually a title of Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2 Peter 1:19 et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris

In the Isaiah passage (which people misinterpret to allude to some arch-enemy of God [there is no such a thing in the bible, all "satans" actually work according to the will of God]) it is being used as a "taunt" against the king of Babylon, and sarcastically calling him by the title he believed himself to be, prophesying his downfall: Isaiah 14:4, Isaiah 14:12

But, tradition has intervened and created a story which people perpetuate, concerning this being who runs around in a literal fire world and tweaks his moustaches. There's no "being sent to fire" until the very end of the bible: Revelation 20:14 (in which you can also see that this is a metaphor, as well; as we see this "fire" burning up concepts like, death, and "hell" itself)

So, "Lucifer" being applied to an "evil spirit" (which is definitely not "bearing light") instead of to Jesus Christ, is just the world turned around backward in understanding. Par for the course, I suppose.

4. This one is good.
 
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