A God who hates and creates evil and sin?

[Hagios17]

Hate: verb, to count as one's enemy.

Love: verb, to count as one's friend.

God has friends and enemies. He has people he hates and who he loves.

“The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.”​

…Psalms 5:5​

So, did God create evil, did he create sin?

“The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.”

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…Proverbs 16:4

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“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

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…Isaiah 45:7

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“Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”

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…Romans 4:8

 

[JacobHall86]

Hey, your not baptist, and your not really doing anything other than looking for a fight. What are you doing here?

 

[Hagios17]

Actually, I go to a Batist church where I live. But you're right... I'm not Baptist, and neither are you. I'm a sheep, what are you?

 

[JacobHall86]

Im Baptist, and I have that in my icon so that people will know it.

 

[JacobHall86]

Also, this thread comes to mind when you post.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2872457-x-baptist-here-4-questions.html

you have no business spamming the Baptist forum when you openly claim not to be Baptist.

 

[Dimitree]

Lol Today is my lucky day
I tumbel on confused people all day long

God didn't create Sin dear
Man did
Adam and Eve did when they accepted sin
God creates all ! And He sayd DO NOT EAT FROM THAT TREE ! Do not sin !
But Men rebelled and created Sin !
I hope this helps ^__^

 

[Hagios17]

Dimitree... and what about all those verse. Are they now all just irrelevant?

 

[Hagios17]

Man creaetd sin? Therefore man is another creator, right? Therefore you believe in co-creaotrship... free will and human responsibility. Am I right so far? But what about John 1:3 or even Colossians 1:16?

 

[Hagios17]

“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”​

…John 1:3
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.”

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…Colossians 1:16

 

[Hagios17]

“Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”​

…Romans 4:8

 

[Dimitree]

Dimitree... and what about all those verse. Are they now all just irrelevant?

The Lord has made everything for his purpose, even the sinner for the day of evil.

God created the tree in the Garden where Adam and Eve were
But Adamn and Eve CHOSE to eat from it

You can not just look at the middle of the story and asume
You have to asume the whole story

And the whole story says when the time comes there will be evil and whoever doesn't fall in it will live eternal life
God is Just ! And He made Just ways of choseing the non sinful Adam and Eves on this world.
Consider the wicked as the tree in the gadren

And Today ! That tree is bigger and with more fruts then ever before !

Close is His comming Glory to His Name !
Amen !

 

[Dimitree]

Man creaetd sin? Therefore man is another creator, right? Therefore you believe in co-creaotrship... free will and human responsibility. Am I right so far? But what about John 1:3 or even Colossians 1:16?

I don't need to beleive in co-creationship

It is writen !
And God gived Adam to Name the animals !
Making names is creating in my opinion no ?

 

[Hagios17]

Jacobhall86:

You call me sharing Predestination Gospel spamming and I call you sharing Arminian Gospel spamming, but the Bible says:

[BIBLE]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

...2 Corinthians 11:4 [/BIBLE]

Come, let us reason.

 

[Dimitree]

I lost your point with this one

 

[Hagios17]

…but because God created all things (John 1:3 and or Colossians), Adam and Eve’s choice to disobey God was also created. Therefore free will fails, and the absolute sovereignty of God prevails… Amen!

 

[Hagios17]

That was for Jacob... the spamming thing. He doesn't want to contend, bear and reason with me about unlimited atonement, etc. really, so he basically told me to get lost.

 

[Dimitree]

your statement is wrong
To be able to chose is free will.
God created everything and gived free will to men
But men chose to go against God eating from the forbidden tree.

Its like a basket of fruts
God made you and the basket but it is up to you to chose which fruts to take.

No free will is no sens at all.
It is wrong because of the pattern which exist for chosing.
No free will = no pattern or module ( system) of making a choice.
But chosing exist thust = free will.

 

[JacobHall86]

You arent sharing anything, and yoy arent a calvinist. ANd you arent baptist. Adn you cant reason. So how can I?

 

[mlqurgw]

The question of whether God created sin is of no consequence. Sin exists in the heart of all men born of Adam and God gave the remedy. The subject is a ruse of Satan designed to take the focus off of the person and work of Christ. It is ripe with theological speculation and only matters to those who want to debate. It makes no diference in the truth of who Christ is and what did He do.

 

[Hagios17]

Dimitree

Free will does not refer to normal choice, it refers to non-predetermined and uncreated choice.