A friend of mine committed suicide? Did they goto hell?

[GoingThruTrials]

I have heard since I was a kid that people who committ suicidde goto hell. But a few years back I heard I think it was Billy Graham lecturing on the subject and he was saying that people who committed suicide beacause of mental and emotional pain were sick in the eyes of the Lord and therefore were immune to this punishment and would go to heaven if they were believers. Any thoughts???

 

[mandelduke]

There is nothing in the bible that says if someone commit’s suicide they will go to hell. Would you send your child to hell for committing suicide? I would not, and God is a much more loving father then me.

 

[GoingThruTrials]

Thanks for the reply. I would like to have as much input as possible. The guy was saved, loved the Lord, but I think he was simply tired of one huge dissapointment in life after another. I would love as many views on this as possible to ease my mind as to his eternal soul. Thanks

 

[Elyalan]

I don't think someone who commits suicide necessarily goes to hell, either. Especially if they are mentally or emotionally unwell. They are not thinking clearly if they are mentally ill whatsoever, how can they be held responsible for committing suicide then? Also like mandelduke said, there's nothing in the bible that says that suicide will automatically send one to hell. But like I said, it depends on the circumstances surrounding it.

 

[dominic32068]

what does 1 corinthians c3 vs16-17 tell you?

 

[tturt]

I believe that Yahweh doesn't hold mental illness against people.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

what does 1 corinthians c3 vs16-17 tell you?

You need to be careful making doctrines based off of single verses or passages in the Bible. These verses do seem to promote if you commit suicide you'll go to hell, but is that really what it means?

Well in the OT, the Temple went into decline and decay because the Israelites didn't take care of it, didn't keep it up. Not just because the Babylonians came and destroyed it... So I would say those verses are speaking more of a decline in the upkeep of the Holy Spirit's temple than just committing suicide.

I don't believe God would send a child of His to hell for suicide. Yes, it's true that is one sin you can't ask forgiveness for, but truth be told how many sins do we all commit everyday that we don't know of?

James 4:17, "Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin."

Romans 14:23, "But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin."

How many times a day do most of us, not all, but most of us know something we need to do and don't do it, or just not even try to go out and do something good for someone else, Faith without works is dead right?

Point being, suicide will not send someone to hell, lack of belief in Jesus will.

 

[mandelduke]

1 Corinthians 3:16, 17 has nothing to do with killing anyone, it is about people teaching unholy doctrines. By the way the same Greek word phtheirei means destroy or corrupt.

 

[dominic32068]

If anyone has noted....there is a question mark at end of my verse....was meant as something someone should think about......but now, on the other end it seems you are telling people here that it's ok to engage in suicide as long as we all have a logic reason for it...wow!!

 

[stormdancer0]

I can see both sides of this issue.

But I think that God knows that person's heart, only He knows the state of the person's soul at the time of their death, and only He can make that determination.

Dominic, I think we are just trying to be supportive, and interpreted your post harsher than you perhaps meant it.

Sorry about that.

 

[dominic32068]

No harm done

 

[FuegoPentecostes]

As sad as it is I have no problem admitting that I believe suicide will result in going to hell. Unless a person has a serious and severe mental illness, God should have no reason to hold back judgement on someone who kills themselves. Now, we are guaranteed multiple times in the Gospel of John that faith in Jesus Christ does pardon us for all sins, past present and future, so suicide is still a sin washed in His blood (it is clear, by the way, suicide is a sin, it is self-murder).

Now we shouldn't be jumping for joy that someone who commits suicide is in Heaven, however. The fact that someone is a Christian at all should be questioned if they take their own life. As followers of Jesus, we are to live our lives for God, and there is no justification for a Christian ESPECIALLY to commit such an act. Perhaps the person didn't really have faith or didn't really find happiness in Jesus.

 

[stormdancer0]

As sad as it is I have no problem admitting that I believe suicide will result in going to hell. Unless a person has a serious and severe mental illness, God should have no reason to hold back judgement on someone who kills themselves. Now, we are guaranteed multiple times in the Gospel of John that faith in Jesus Christ does pardon us for all sins, past present and future, so suicide is still a sin washed in His blood (it is clear, by the way, suicide is a sin, it is self-murder).

Now we shouldn't be jumping for joy that someone who commits suicide is in Heaven, however. The fact that someone is a Christian at all should be questioned if they take their own life. As followers of Jesus, we are to live our lives for God, and there is no justification for a Christian ESPECIALLY to commit such an act. Perhaps the person didn't really have faith or didn't really find happiness in Jesus.

I am a committed Christian, ordained minister, and chaplain. I love God with all my heart, and would do my best to obey any directive from God.

However, i also suffer with major depression. I can assure you that it is very possible for the illness of depression to warp your thinking in such a way as to cause you to think suicide is the answer, even if you are a believer. It is the same as someone who is in immense pain and deciding to stop treatment and allow themselves to die. There is such great pain in depression, beyond any physical pain you can imagine.

This pain, like all pain and sorrow, is rooted in sin, but not necessarily my sin. I did nothing that led to this illness. I was born with it, I believe. I know it began before I was old enough to go to school. There were times in my past that I considered suicide. I thank God that He took those thoughts away. But I also know how easily they could return if I lowered my guard in this area.

Only God can declare whether this person is saved. Suicide is never God's will, but we all sin. The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Spirit. That means suicide is NOT an unforgivable sin.

 

[crimsonlogic10]

u know sometimes life leaves us with no choice.. just like i am right now, also not intending to live on anymore.. death is my way out of all this mess.

 

[stormdancer0]

u know sometimes life leaves us with no choice.. just like i am right now, also not intending to live on anymore.. death is my way out of all this mess.

There is ALWAYS another choice. If you are a believer, you've given your life to God. It belongs to Him. If you take it, you are stealing. It is not yours to give or take - it is up to HIM when you pass from this world to the next.

Go to christianflockforums.com. It is a small forum of people who've "been there" helping those who are in the midst of struggle now, whether it's depression, addiction, or recovering from abuse.

 

[lismore]

The only thing you go to hell for is rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[GoingThruTrials]

I really appreciate all this feedback! My friend was going through some rough stuff, pretty much been miserable his whole life, like a goof, he invested all his emotions in his family (I think that was a good thing, but we all know you cant count on people all the time). Anyways, he got really done bad by some Christian posers, and got severely depressed. I do not believe he was mentally ill at all, but I do believe he was simply tired of being done wrong by all the right people. I think depression is a very serious condition. I sway towards the part of me that says he will go to Heaven, but theres always that doubt of the other route. I guess its impossible to be sure (as most things in life). Thanks again for all the support. Remember his family in your prayer, and me also. As I will you all.

....When 2 or more are gathered in His name, He is there!

 

[Miss Elly]

I am a committed Christian, ordained minister, and chaplain. I love God with all my heart, and would do my best to obey any directive from God.

However, i also suffer with major depression. I can assure you that it is very possible for the illness of depression to warp your thinking in such a way as to cause you to think suicide is the answer, even if you are a believer. It is the same as someone who is in immense pain and deciding to stop treatment and allow themselves to die. There is such great pain in depression, beyond any physical pain you can imagine.

This pain, like all pain and sorrow, is rooted in sin, but not necessarily my sin. I did nothing that led to this illness. I was born with it, I believe. I know it began before I was old enough to go to school. There were times in my past that I considered suicide. I thank God that He took those thoughts away. But I also know how easily they could return if I lowered my guard in this area.

Only God can declare whether this person is saved. Suicide is never God's will, but we all sin. The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Spirit. That means suicide is NOT an unforgivable sin.

Personally, I wouldn't want to risk it...suicide that is. However, I believe God is a compassionate God and a just God. All one can do is entrust the person who commits suicide to the mercy of God. He alone is the judge.

 

[dylenbrivera]

There is ALWAYS another choice. If you are a believer, you've given your life to God. It belongs to Him. If you take it, you are stealing. It is not yours to give or take - it is up to HIM when you pass from this world to the next.

I felt like I needed to add to this.

[BIBLE]1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.[/BIBLE]

By destroying our Body, the temple of the Holy Spirit, we dishonor God. In the process we also destroy the resting place of the Holy Spirit. So when a person commits suicide, the Spirit leaves them.

 

[lismore]

Having read the book of Ezekiel I think God will hold the people round the suicide victim accountable. Christians should love one another and look out for the vulnerable, the needy.

Where was the church when this guy was hurting?