A flying snake...

[Christsfreeservant]

I'm not suggesting, nor is anyone else, God would turn his back on his children. He didn't turn his back on the prophets of old who were forced to live in caves or tortured and killed for speaking the truth, or Jesus, or Paul, Peter, Thomas, and the many other countless followers who were imprisoned, beaten, tortured and otherwise horribly treated by their oppressors. No more then He's turned his back on the believer's in areas of the world where being a Christian will get your hands cut off, or your head, or your breasts, etc., depending on your gender and whose doing the oppressing.

Christians, in Russia, China, Africa, India, etc., etc., have suffered violence, torture, mutilation and death for the profession of faith. I don't believe God turned His back on them.

For some reason which is beyond my comprehension at this time, we are called to be willing to allow ourselves to be led to the slaughter without physical resistance. I have a glimpse of its meaning and believe one transcends normal consciousness entering more fully into the consciousness, awareness and reality of God when one suffers in such a manner. However, I can't imagine desiring it to happen.

Regarding not suffering his wrath: Those things which befall the non-repentant do not befall believers who live during that time. There will be believers during that time. Are those converts during that time or are they you and I? Apparently we shall see and perhaps very shortly.

Hopefully the pre-trib people have it right. That's one area of scriptural interpretation I'd love to be wrong about. I believe we go through the tribulation and are persecuted unto death for our faith. However, like I said, hope I'm wrong. It's only my opinion. Regardless, either by death or by rapture we need to be ready. It seems one or the other isn't to far off.

PEACE,
JWN

I agree with you wholeheartedly, other than I am convinced that we are going to go through the tribulation and I have no doubt on the matter. I think a great Biblical example of this, other than the ones you already noted, is the story of the Exodus. I believe that to be somewhat of an example of what is coming, with the "Promised Land" being heaven or the Lord's earthly reign on earth during the Milenium. The children of Israel were right there when Egypt had all those plagues, yet I believe they were spared all of them with the exception of maybe the first two. The Bible does say that judgment begins with the house of the Lord, so the church is not going to be entirely spared the judgment of God. God has judged his people all through history in order to bring them back into a right relationship with himself. It is just that in America we are spoiled and we think, for some reason, that just because we claim to know Jesus that somehow we should be spared suffering for him. He wants a holy people and that comes through the "refiner's fire." The "wrath" of God that true believers will be spared is "hell." God disciplines those he loves and punishes those... we need the discipline of God here in America in order to bring revival to the church which has lost its way, for the most part.

 

[Christsfreeservant]

To follow up. America, has been attempting to push its agenda and usurp authority in other parts of the world for a long time. So, I don't even have a problem with other countries attempting to gain control here. I'd like to stand in their way and will certainly object to foreign powers trying to gain power on America's soil.

But then we have presidents and congress people who sell our sovereignty and make it profitable for our companies to open industrial plants oversees and hire out to foreign countries rather then use our own work force. It's all about greed, money and power. Our government no longer and has not for some time represented "we the people" we are fodder to these people. The government has all but taken control of the media, the main stream media and we are spoon fed information, lies.

If our government or "theirs" sees the opportunity to take advantage it will be done because that's the nature of the beast we are dealing with. You say Obama is a good man? I'm not saying he's not. I'm only reporting what I dreamed. Even if he is as my dream suggests an infiltrator that wouldn't necessarily make him evil. It would make him an extremely clever individual with great resources at his command and or supporting his efforts.

If America had someone infiltrate what we consider a hostile country and take over its leadership we'd consider that to be a great victory. How you see it all depends on what side of the ocean, in what continent, in which country you were born, and under what circumstances you were raised.

I don't consider America's "enemies" evil. They are people just like me. They just happen to be on an opposing side of an issue, which in this world, if it has to do with economic power, control over lands, goods, and people, that's a recipe for war. Religion is the mobilizing force those in power will use to move the masses to fight their cause. Our leaders call them evil and their leaders call us evil and we both call each other non-believer's and infidels.

It's all about money power and control today. And it's one big powder keg.

I believe you are "on the money," so to speak. Keep praying, and keep discerning, and keep listening to the Lord. Trust what the Lord is saying to you. Ask him if your dream was of him or not.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Personally, I'm taking the dreams to be a warning. What anyone else does is up to them and their own discernment.

1) I had the dream about the flying serpent, the giant insect with stinger, and, the giant bat who all seemed to be taking position and connected. The impression I got was the serpent represented power and authority.

2) I prayed and asked God for discernment regarding the meaning of the dream: the result? A dream of Obama rising to power throgh covert support, an infiltrator and usurper of power who is doing the biding of a foreign government.

Perhaps there's been a Coo and not a shot has been fired? If so our government is complicit. If so, they have now taken power of our system of government, and, it didn't happen over night; it's been in the works for a long time with co-operation at the highest levels. If so it has to do with money, power, and, control. If so, the so called "political elite" will be drunk with excess and feel secure in their position which is for all intents and purposes above the law.

However, I also feel if the above is true there will be war within our own borders. Perhaps militia fighting the government.

I can only speak for myself and what I'm inclined to think my dreams mean. Not asking anyone to believe anything I say. We all must pray and decide for ourselves what we believe is true.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Personally, I'm taking the dreams to be a warning. What anyone else does is up to them and their own discernment.

1) I had the dream about the flying serpent, the giant insect with stinger, and, the giant bat who all seemed to be taking position and connected. The impression I got was the serpent represented power and authority.

2) I prayed and asked God for discernment regarding the meaning of the dream: the result? A dream of Obama rising to power throgh covert support, an infiltrator and usurper of power who is doing the biding of a foreign government.

Perhaps there's been a Coo and not a shot has been fired? If so our government is complicit. If so, they have now taken power of our system of government, and, it didn't happen over night; it's been in the works for a long time with co-operation at the highest levels. If so it has to do with money, power, and, control. If so, the so called "political elite" will be drunk with excess and feel secure in their position which is for all intents and purposes above the law.

However, I also feel if the above is true there will be war within our own borders. Perhaps militia fighting the government.

I can only speak for myself and what I'm inclined to think my dreams mean. Not asking anyone to believe anything I say. We all must pray and decide for ourselves what we believe is true.

You are right on target.

As far as an inner uprising. They've already prepared for that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198456,00.html


Note what the prisons are to be used for:

http://www.halliburton.com/public/news/pubsdata/press_release/2006/kbrnws_012406.html

"2006 Press Releases

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 24, 2006

KBR AWARDED U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY CONTINGENCY SUPPORT PROJECT FOR EMERGENCY SUPPORT SERVICES

ARLINGTON, Virginia – KBR announced today that its Government and Infrastructure division has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to support the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL).

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

“We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support,” said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. “We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed.”

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.

The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.


The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts.

ICE was established in March 2003 as the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE is comprised of four integrated divisions that form a 21st century law enforcement agency with broad responsibilities for a number of key homeland security priorities."

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Happened across this scripture this morning (another sleepless night 4:16 AM):

Isaiah:29 "Do not rejoice, all you of Philistia, Because the rod that struck you is broken; For out of the serpent's roots will come forth a viper, And its offspring will be a fiery flying serpent.

Ask me why I didn't look up the reference to a flying serpent in the scripture in the first place and I'll tell you—I don't know (wearing my dunce hat).

Now I suppose I'll have to start searching for relevance to the other creatures I saw in scripture.

This could well mean the destruction of Palestine if the dream refers to the scripture. Here is the sight I happened across regarding the reference. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1462566/posts Perhaps someone more awake and alert then myself could take a look at it.

Come to think of it I haven't slept well since I had that dream. Perhaps I don't want to chance another dream?

PEACE
JWN

 

[JWNEWMAN]

BATS


20 In that day men will cast away to the moles and the bats
Their idols of silver and their idols of gold,
Which they made for themselves to worship,
21 In order to go into the caverns of the rocks and the clefts of the cliffs
Before the terror of the LORD and the splendor of His majesty,
When He arises to make the earth tremble.
22 Stop regarding man, whose breath of life is in his nostrils;
For why should he be esteemed?

Perhaps the warning is about the day of destruction the wrath of the Lord. Yikes!

PEACE
JWN

 

[JWNEWMAN]

The insect

Appeared to be brownish green. It was also very, very large. I think the color and size which is what made me originally think of a mantis. However, the following day, I recalled another part of the dream. In it I picked up the insect (with a rag or something). I was recoiled at the prospect of doing so. Doing so I inspected its underside and noted a stinger.

It didn't or couldn't sting me. Each of the creatures in the dream seemed poised to do whatever it is they were meant to do.

Before there was any certainty we were going to war with Iraq I dreamed of it happening. Now that was easy to interpret. I was standing in a Mosk and people dressed liked they do in that part of the world were all around me speaking in another language which I understood somehow. They were saying "It is the end of the world" or something to that effect. Huge explosions from bombs were sounding outside the Mosk, it was deafening. Anybody could interpret that dream at that time.

Most of my dreams however, aren't on such a large scale. I suspect this one about the serpent, the bat, and the insect has more bearing then upon just myself, and or my small circle.

It's curious that I had the dream about Obama when I asked for revelation regarding the dream and now I'm coming across this information today. Oh well! That's why I never thought of myself as a prophet. Unless a dream is like A B C or 1 2 3 so easy a child could understand it I'm usually not completely sure.

Though I must say every dream I've had with THREE DISTINCT symbols or a dream that is repeated three times or a dream with three SPIRITS has not failed to be of serious import. So, I'm taking this dream seriously. Even if I'm not completely clear on the meaning. Normally, what happens is I'm adjusted to events before they take place because of the meaning of the dreams. However, sometimes they are of such a nature they are transformative and not prophetic in the sense of a coming event rather reflecting personal change on the horizon. Regarding the latter, I was hoping this dream might be of that nature, however, at the moment I'm convinced it was not.

Perhaps I should pray for the gift of interpretation of dreams? Doh! Why didn't I think of that previously?

PEACE,
JWN

 

[X=?]

It's curious that I had the dream about Obama when I asked for revelation regarding the dream and now I'm coming across this information today. Oh well! That's why I never thought of myself as a prophet. Unless a dream is like A B C or 1 2 3 so easy a child could understand it I'm usually not completely sure.

Though I must say every dream I've had with THREE DISTINCT symbols or a dream that is repeated three times or a dream with three SPIRITS has not failed to be of serious import. So, I'm taking this dream seriously. Even if I'm not completely clear on the meaning. Normally, what happens is I'm adjusted to events before they take place because of the meaning of the dreams. However, sometimes they are of such a nature they are transformative and not prophetic in the sense of a coming event rather reflecting personal change on the horizon. Regarding the latter, I was hoping this dream might be of that nature, however, at the moment I'm convinced it was not.

Perhaps I should pray for the gift of interpretation of dreams? Doh! Why didn't I think of that previously?

PEACE,
JWN

Its interesting how your dream has unfolded, I fell into a bit of a danger zone here because I didn't want to offend any Americans by association of this Obama in your dream. I have never felt this way about someone where I am feeling I am being warned or to be watchful and that this man is some kind of signifant player in something big but yet this something is not good. I believe the serpant in the dream was Obama and that the wings were his team of supporters. I am not saying he is the Anti-Christ or anything but I just can't shift this warning that doesn't impact my walk with God in any way other than making me watchful. I can talk about this more but certainly not here. I am glad America has a new president but I fear for America, the world and other Christians and yet I can't fathom out just what it is.

 

[gracechick]

None of you are offending this American sadly enough. Many of us have feelings of foreboding. I believe we are the Babylon of the last days and the land will suffer all that the Lord has promised will happen to such a nation.

I've struggled with the things the Lord has shown myself and others I know. After I had dreams or saw short images during prayer I would google a bit and the info and video are often there for all to access. It's just those of us that have lived in freedom I believe cannot imagine people of power planning such evil for their own means. And yet so clueless that their god is duping and deceiving them through the whole process.

God have mercy. Christ have mercy. Lord have mercy.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I still don't know for certain what my dreams mean. I have my expressed concerns. What I've read in dream dictionaries and such, is mostly not good regarding any of the symbols I've mentioned. However, I've never really paid attention to those types of books or interpretations. They've just never seemed relevant to any dream I've had.

Looking in the bible the fiery flying serpent is spoken of and it is at least one time referred to with regard to the destruction of Palestine. Bats are mentioned with regard to their destruction also.

However, in my dream though the serpent was flying it wasn't fiery that I recall. And the reference in Isa to bats, isn't referring to a flying bat rather a bat's dwelling place. Then there is the insect, since I don't know what the insect is exactly I'm at a loss there for specifics.

I just know it seemed the dream had greater import and significance then my own life personally. It seemed to indicate a larger scale. On the other hand it could mean large scale events in my own life.

Then there is the follow up dream I posted. What seemed an answer to prayer regarding the meaning of the first. Yet, I don't see the symbol connections clearly, just my impressions of the meaning.

Still haven't gotten the gift of dream interpretation yet. Still asking for it.

Thanks, for all who've replied with their own thoughts.

PEACE,
JWN

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Last night was the first night since my first Obama dream that I got a decent nights sleep. Wouldn't you know it I have another Obama dream! The first one disturbed me on a level I can't explain ... I've had some harrowing experiences so that dream shouldn't have been suge a big deal, you wouldn't think. I've had much more frightening personal wide awake experiences, so what gives?

As I'm thinking about this I believe the far reaching implications are what have me so burdened. It's so far beyond me I guess I'm feeling overwhelmed. I feel like a dot of sand who's been awaken to something that will effect all the other zillion dots of sand yet I don't know what to do: worse I don't know absolutely it is the truth.

What I do know? Down to my pit I'm been disturbed by the effect of the dream. Sort of spiritually nueseaus you might say.

I'm going into the wilderness for a couple of days to pray ... pray with me ... I've never quite felt like this before, I feel I need protection?

Perhaps only from my own insecurities? Hope so, that would be a relief to discover.

 

[arielette]

Please let us know that you have returned safely. I will be praying for you.

 

[X=?]

Last night was the first night since my first Obama dream that I got a decent nights sleep. Wouldn't you know it I have another Obama dream! The first one disturbed me on a level I can't explain ... I've had some harrowing experiences so that dream shouldn't have been suge a big deal, you wouldn't think. I've had much more frightening personal wide awake experiences, so what gives?

As I'm thinking about this I believe the far reaching implications are what have me so burdened. It's so far beyond me I guess I'm feeling overwhelmed. I feel like a dot of sand who's been awaken to something that will effect all the other zillion dots of sand yet I don't know what to do: worse I don't know absolutely it is the truth.

What I do know? Down to my pit I'm been disturbed by the effect of the dream. Sort of spiritually nueseaus you might say.

I'm going into the wilderness for a couple of days to pray ... pray with me ... I've never quite felt like this before, I feel I need protection?

Perhaps only from my own insecurities? Hope so, that would be a relief to discover.

I can relate somewhat to how you feel. Somethings I have been saying lately have come to fruitition. A little harrowing to say the least but they haven't directly affected me and God, just me.

Take it easy though.

 

[richmind]

I just about two weeks old at this site. These are some scary things am reading here. I don't know how seriously i should take them.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Thanks for the support.... leaving in about an hour


PEACE
JWN

 

[HumbleServant94]

I am going to throw this in here because I had a dream about flying animals too.

The same time you were having your dream, I had one about three frogs. I was walking down the street in the dark and was about to go into an old brick building. An old man walked out of it he said "you are going the wrong way". I turned to the right and walked for awhile with him and in front of a house were three frogs. As the old man photographed them, they got up and danced, each turning it turn, red, white and blue. As they did so they grew wings, got larger and flew off.

I thought I would tell you about it cause it happened at the same time.

Be careful. In Revelation, the Dragon, the Beast, and the False Prophet had unclean spirits that looked like frogs come out of their mouths in order to fool the world with false miracles.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Well, I went out into the woods, every week for several weeks and returned mostly on the week ends.

I did pray but, for some reason didn't get in touch with my intuition or spiritual side like I normally would when retiring to the woodlands. So, I've resolved nothing and got no more insights regarding the dreams.

The only thing that is occurring to me is, that, for myself, at least, I should trust the second dream with the explicit illustrations it gave me regarding the meaning of the first. I'm thinking it is an insult and a lack of faith on my part to keep inquiring about a matter when I've had such a clear and very unusual (for me) answer to the request I made of God.

It is likely because in other areas I'm a little "put off" with the Lord. I've been waiting a long time for some other answers and growing somewhat distressed over circumstances. That too, is, I realize a show of a lack of faith.

Any way just wanted to report I have nothing to report.

PEACE
JWN