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Well Jesus "ascended into heaven" which would also be "above" the earth. God's presence is in the "holies of holies" and I'm sure there are other verses about God's presence - e.g. in Exodus, etc.
Yes today we say that it is just a metaphorical heart but Aristotle thought it was literal and I think so would the authors.A perfect example of metaphorical language.
With the "holy of holies" God would still be in other places, but he has a special presence there.Yes, figurative expressions of things that we don't understand - an attempt to make them understandable. None of those limits God's presence to one place.
I'm saying that the authors seemed to assume the earth is flat and not a ball based on what many verses imply.I think that you're looking at this too literally ... considering that we have a God Who transcends space and time ...
The author clearly believed that the east and the west are very far apart. If they thought the earth was a ball they wouldn't have used that analogy if they had thought through it.You don't recognize this as being metaphorical ?
So it looks like the Bible is giving them the impression that the earth is flat.
But in reality it is the earth that is moving, not the sun.
They all are compatible to some degree with a flat earth and not at all with a spherical earth.
If God transcends time, that means he would have known about the flat earthers and how they seem to be basing their beliefs on the Bible. God could have included at least one verse about a spherical earth and heliocentrism but he knowingly didn't.
You could provide at least one Bible verse that seems to contradict the idea of a flat earth. The verses about the four corners of the earth imply a flat earth though it conflicts with the circle shape of a flat earth... unless:If someone wants to think the earth is flat there's not much I can do for them.
The author clearly believed that the east and the west are very far apart. If they thought the earth was a ball they wouldn't have used that analogy if they had thought through it.
There is a verse about God not wanting anyone to perish. Flat earthers saying they have Biblical support could test people's faith and lead some to unbelief and hell. So God should care.Perhaps because it wasn't a concern of His ???
You could provide at least one Bible verse that seems to contradict the idea of a flat earth.
"as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."The statement is metaphorical.
No matter when or where you are, ... east can be very close to west ... or very far away.
As I sit now ... if I turn in one direction, that's east ... and if I turn in the opposite direction ... that's west.
There is a verse about God not wanting anyone to perish. Flat earthers saying they have Biblical support could test people's faith and lead some to unbelief and hell. So God should care.
"as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."
If the east and west are close then it means God hasn't really "removed our transgressions".
The metaphor (or analogy?) only works if both parts of the verse are about a big distance/removal.You missed the lesson on the metaphorical use of language, yes ???
I think that verse says east and west for a reason. If it had said "as far as the north is from the south", that would be an actual distance. But the point is obviously to say that the sins are completely removed. Just like when the bible talks about sins being cast into the sea, it's obviously not talking about literally throwing sins into a literal sea.""as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."
If the east and west are close then it means God hasn't really "removed our transgressions"."
The metaphor (or analogy?) only works if both parts of the verse are about a big distance/removal.
With the "holy of holies" God would still be in other places, but he has a special presence there.
"If God transcends time, that means he would have known about the flat earthers and how they seem to be basing their beliefs on the Bible. God could have included at least one verse about a spherical earth and heliocentrism but he knowingly didn't."
There is a verse about God not wanting anyone to perish. Flat earthers saying they have Biblical support could test people's faith and lead some to unbelief and hell. So God should care.
"And why does it only mention the heart when talking about thoughts or emotions and never your head (or brain). Aristotle literally believed people thought using their heart and I think the authors of the Bible thought that too."
Yes today we say that it is just a metaphorical heart but Aristotle thought it was literal and I think so would the authors.
You could provide at least one Bible verse that seems to contradict the idea of a flat earth. The verses about the four corners of the earth imply a flat earth though it conflicts with the circle shape of a flat earth... unless:
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