How you are not a nihilist? You believe you came from nothing and you go to nothing, end of your brain end of you.
Scientists are not deities.
Its Ευδαιμονία not eudaimonia.
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I corrected your typo.
That is not what I believe. I don't believe that deities had anything to do with my existence, but I could not honestly endorse what you have written above.
eudaimonia,
The mathematics of propability, used in this same way, clearly proves the impossibility of just about everything that we - even people like you! - would consider "our universe". That includes even things like "microevolution"... which is stochastically impossible.
The only common sense result is the intelligent design of our Creator... for anything. For everything.
Even this post.
Consider this.
How you are not a nihilist? You believe you came from nothing and you go to nothing, end of your brain end of you.
Scientists are not deities.
Its Ευδαιμονία not eudaimonia.
JimFit,
None of that shows that the universe was intentionally or purposefully fine tuned.
It shows the unlikelihood of things being the way they are; that's all your numbers, statistics and videos show. Again. (Btw, you don't need to repost things that have already been established; I accept the data.)
The conclusion that it is "special" is because of the value you personally put on intelligent life; which is subjective.
I'm sorry you don't understand how making the hop from observation to intent and purpose.
That doesn't make me a nihilist. While nihilists might regard death as final, that isn't what makes someone a nihilist.
Between past nothing and future nothing is plenty of something.
I experience and regard my life as fully mattering and meaningful to myself.
I am not even close to being a nihilist. It is offensive to be called one.
Did I say that they were?
1. if something is fine-tuned, then it came into existence
2. if something comes into existence, then it does so either due to chance or not chance
3. if something is not chance, then it is intentional
4. there is no known instance of chance fine-tuning any complex thing
5. therefore, it is more plausible that that which is fine-tuned is due to intention, rather than chance
6. the universe is fine-tuned
7. therefore, it is more plausible that it is due to intention
This something will extinct together with the Universe someday, it wont leave a fingerprint of you anywhere so this something is an illusion and i have seen very little atheists to live their lives like that, to the extreme because there is no second life.
Anyway this whole atheistic worldview is so wrong in so many ways which will take me hours to explain.
You must know that the peace you feel inside you when you think that your life has an end is the peace you feel when you are dead.
You don't have free will in Materialism to choose for yourself except if yourself is a real clone separated from you.
The fact that you think like a Dualist proves that Materialism goes against our Minds.
You said God is a Deity therefor His images are too deities
Atheism = Nihilism
Atheists believe that their existence is a purposeless random mistake, if you believe that something determined your existence you cannot claim that you are an atheist.
You don't even know what a body is to start with.
We have evidence that mindless [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] have consciousness and intention which debunks that even a body is needing.
Your body is just a collection of atoms, that's it, in materialism you are not different from a rock, the fact that Consciousness defers us from a rock while we are still composed with atoms just like a rock gives credit to the idea that consciousness creates life and not the other way around.
1. if something is fine-tuned, then it came into existence
2. if something comes into existence, then it does so either due to chance or not chance
3. if something is not chance, then it is intentional
4. there is no known instance of chance fine-tuning any complex thing
5. therefore, it is more plausible that that which is fine-tuned is due to intention, rather than chance
6. the universe is fine-tuned
7. therefore, it is more plausible that it is due to intention
Now lets apply this same logic to the pyramids. we have no evidence that the pyramids were built by humans, only a prior reasoning.
1. if something is fine-tuned, then it came into existence
2. if something comes into existence, then it does so either due to chance or not chance
3. if something is not chance, then it is intentional
4. there is no known instance of chance fine-tuning any complex thing
5. therefore, it is more plausible that that which is fine-tuned is due to intention, rather than chance
6. the pyramids are fine-tuned
7. therefore, it is more plausible that it is due to intention
God doesn't need anything from us to have a purpose, He just created us because He loves us. No purpose. Humans have purpose to be perfect like God.
Unlikelihood compared to what? Non existence? You have no other Universe to compare this and say "Yes there is Fine Tuning but it was due to Luck" Luck doesn't even exist to start of...
So many fallacies in only two sentences! If a Conscious Mind (and not intelligent life) wasn't important then why our Consciousness affects the result of the double slit experiement? I mean you atheists were yelling that only Materialism exists, if Materialism can be affected by our Consciousness your whole argument goes to garbage. Then again with your statement there is another mistake, to be in the center of the attention you must be conscious, how can rocks be aware of their existence? You imply that somehow my life is has the same importance with a rock, in what criteria? The unconscious rock? OF COURSE MY LIFE MATTERS BECAUSE ONLY CONSCIOUS PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THEIR LIFE!
I'm sorry but everything points to intention because Materialism is Finite, the cause of the Universe could only be transcendent, spaceless and timeless, it describes consciousness.
Number 1: A fine-tuned guitar did not come into existence. The guitar was created by a person, then tuned for the purpose of perfect pitch.
Number 4: That depends on how you are looking at things. A beautiful mountain and landscape was not fine-tuned by time and nature, but could appear that it was if you are so inclined to believe that was the intent. Do you see the problem of perception?
And that leads to number 6, where your problem lies.
You don't know purpose nor intention of the universe, therefore you can't say it's fine tuned.You'd have to know what that purpose and intent was, first, not just assert it was fine tuned for something after-the-fact, especially since you are determining what it was tuned for.
I just read a few hours ago that the universe is so finely tuned for us that the odds against its being random are as enormous as those of hitting a bull's eye of a diameter of 1 mm at one end of the known universe, with a dart thrown from the other end of it.
You're wasting your time arguing with Non sequitur. His argument are vapid.
I have no idea what you mean by "living to the extreme"? Is this "extreme" some hedonistic pursuit like wine, women, and song? My life is too short to waste on hedonism
You don't even know what my worldview is. You are aware, at best, of only a few isolated positions. There isn't just one "atheistic worldview" any more than that there is only one "theistic worldview".
You must think that you are a mind reader. Don't quit your day job.
I'm not a "Materialist". I have never called myself one. I could reasonably be described as a metaphysical naturalist, but even that requires qualification. My metaphysics is probably not something that you are familiar with.
I don't think like a Dualist, if by that you mean substance dualist. I do take a dual-aspect view of the mind-body relation, but that isn't what you mean, I suspect. I'm anti-reductionist (an emergentist), and prefer a view of entity-action causality to Newtonian style event-event causality. That is what accounts for my views on human nature with regards to the subject of free will. It doesn't involve "a real clone separated from you".
I agree that reductive materialism has no room for free will, but I am not a reductive materialist. I don't fit into your pigeon holes.
In which post? I don't recall saying anything like that. You may have me confused with someone else.
No, atheism is not equivalent to nihilism.
Wrong.
And that justifies your assertion how?
The atoms in my body are arranged differently to the atoms forming a rock. That's a significant difference, not something to trivialise.
I just read a few hours ago that the universe is so finely tuned for us that the odds against its being random are as enormous as those of hitting a bull's eye of a diameter of 1 mm at one end of the known universe, with a dart thrown from the other end of it.
You're wasting your time arguing with Non sequitur. His argument are vapid.
The Guitar was created and tuned by a Conscious person who had the intention to make the guitar in the first place.
There is no problem because it has been proven that Consciousness precedes matter and matter is finite just like any physical therefor the cause of the Universe must be transcendent.
The Universe has no purpose, it is unconscious. Whatever precedes the Universe has the intention to create the Universe in the first place because physical necessity doesn't work here. God has no purpose, Eternity is purposeless, the purpose of this life is to be perfect like God and join Him to heaven. God didn't need a purpose to create us, He didn't want to achieve something because He is Omniscience, He just loved us and created us, that's it.
The mountain and the landscape were fine tuned from the laws and the constants of Nature. The observer must watch the landscape as an entity to understand beauty. When you go to a gallery and watch a painting, do you observe paint, canvas and wood or the whole art itself?
So the fact that you are not a hedonist (like your Epicurean ancestors)
is because you just don't like it
what if another atheist likes it?
What bothers him to live it at the expense of others?
But there is, its called Metaphysical Materialism!
You don't answer because you haven't ever philosophized the atheist thing
Yes i know what an atheist believes.
"I don't believe that deities had anything to do with my existence"
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