A Few Questions

[Demian]

Hello there.

I have a few questions regarding Christianity and I figured whom better to answer my questions then some Christians themselves so I hope you guys can assist me.

To clear a few things up though in case they become problems in the future. Yes I am a Satanist, no I am not a devil worshiper, yes I am only 13 but please do not use parental quotes such as "You are not old enough to understand" or something as equally demeaning, treat me as an equal please and I will show you the same liberty. Also for the record no these questions are not loaded as it seems most questions here are, just a few uncertenties I have.

Okay moving on.


1. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (NIV)

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

Okay. I am not quite clear on this passages' meaning. Is it saying that there is no afterlife? Or is it just mentioning that you fade from Earth or what? It seems to be it is stating that you simply just died before Jesus came along.

2. Which Ten Commandments?

So. We have two separate conflicting Ten Commandments, which are THE Commandments? We have the list from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 but also there is a list of Ten Commandments on Exodus 34 which are a little different? (I would post links but the forum does not allow me to.)

3. Firmament

Is the firmament canon? A giant sphere over the Earth to separate the waters above us from us? Since this has already been disproved via the 50 years or so of space exploration. Can you explain to me how this is so or can you give me a separate definition for the firmament using the bible as your source?

4. Galaxies

Does the bible say anything about the thousands of galaxies and billions of stars beyond our own and what is the purpose for their existence.

5. Trinity

Where exactly is the trinity spelled out in the bible? I can't seem to find it. Only John seems to come closet but even he is ambiguous and inconsistent.

6. Cursed

Why does the genealogy in Matthew 1 show that Jesus descended through acursed line? Jeconiah (Jehoiachin) and his father Jehoiakim were both cursed by God himself, who said that neither of these men would have any descendent on the throne of David. How could Jesus possibly be the Messiah, destined to ru le forever on the throne of David, if he descended through either of these men?

7. Jesus' Knowledge

I'm curious about the connection between Jesus and God. I am curious about how Jesus just knew all the teachings of God. Was their a learning period he went through or something? Surely knowing you where the song of God and knowing you where to be killed by the people you would come to enlighten would not sit well on a teenager's shoulders.

I believe those are all of the things I am confused on, thank you very much for your time.

 

[Digit]

Hello there.

I have a few questions regarding Christianity and I figured whom better to answer my questions then some Christians themselves so I hope you guys can assist me.

To clear a few things up though in case they become problems in the future. Yes I am a Satanist, no I am not a devil worshiper, yes I am only 13 but please do not use parental quotes such as "You are not old enough to understand" or something as equally demeaning, treat me as an equal please and I will show you the same liberty. Also for the record no these questions are not loaded as it seems most questions here are, just a few uncertenties I have.

Heya Demian, welcome to CF.

1. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (NIV)

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

Okay. I am not quite clear on this passages' meaning. Is it saying that there is no afterlife? Or is it just mentioning that you fade from Earth or what? It seems to be it is stating that you simply just died before Jesus came along.

It's basically showing the common end that we all experience. In life, we are different in many ways, yet in death all is the same and everyone shares the same destination. It doesn't say there is no afterlife, simply after we die we head to a common place. Even though life is meaningless, we find meaning in it from experiencing the gifts of God. (Ecc 3:13 and later in 5:19)

2. Which Ten Commandments?

So. We have two separate conflicting Ten Commandments, which are THE Commandments? We have the list from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 but also there is a list of Ten Commandments on Exodus 34 which are a little different? (I would post links but the forum does not allow me to.)

You can always write out the links and just ask us to add the prefix in. Basically all the OT commandments that were given to Moses, were repeated in the NT except one, which was about keeping the Sabbath holy. Yet most Christians do this anyhow by attending that church that day and worshipping God.

3. Firmament

Is the firmament canon? A giant sphere over the Earth to separate the waters above us from us? Since this has already been disproved via the 50 years or so of space exploration. Can you explain to me how this is so or can you give me a separate definition for the firmament using the bible as your source?

I had a post around here about firmament, one sec. Here is the thread with my reply and some from others. Hope that helps.

4. Galaxies

Does the bible say anything about the thousands of galaxies and billions of stars beyond our own and what is the purpose for their existence.

Genesis mentions God creating the stars, sun and Earth. It talks of God creating the heavens which we understand to be the stars in our universe. Beyond that I'm not too sure.

5. Trinity

Where exactly is the trinity spelled out in the bible? I can't seem to find it. Only John seems to come closet but even he is ambiguous and inconsistent.

I am not so good with this, so someone else will need to field it.

6. Cursed

Why does the genealogy in Matthew 1 show that Jesus descended through acursed line? Jeconiah (Jehoiachin) and his father Jehoiakim were both cursed by God himself, who said that neither of these men would have any descendent on the throne of David. How could Jesus possibly be the Messiah, destined to ru le forever on the throne of David, if he descended through either of these men?

I'm not sure if it specifies, as I haven't picked up on this. Yet it possibly refers to direct descendants of man, not of God. Jesus was divine, and I can not imagine the same statement applying to where God has a direct hand in it. Either that, or someone else can field this one too.

7. Jesus' Knowledge

I'm curious about the connection between Jesus and God. I am curious about how Jesus just knew all the teachings of God. Was their a learning period he went through or something? Surely knowing you where the song of God and knowing you where to be killed by the people you would come to enlighten would not sit well on a teenager's shoulders.

The Bible says that Jesus is God. Col 1:15 mentions this, 'God in the flesh'.

I believe those are all of the things I am confused on, thank you very much for your time.

Hope I helped some, sorry about the ones I couldn't answer, not got a great deal of time! Bye!

Digit

 

[ebia]

Hello there.

I have a few questions regarding Christianity and I figured whom better to answer my questions then some Christians themselves so I hope you guys can assist me.

To clear a few things up though in case they become problems in the future. Yes I am a Satanist, no I am not a devil worshiper, yes I am only 13 but please do not use parental quotes such as "You are not old enough to understand" or something as equally demeaning, treat me as an equal please and I will show you the same liberty. Also for the record no these questions are not loaded as it seems most questions here are, just a few uncertenties I have.

Okay moving on.


1. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (NIV)

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

Okay. I am not quite clear on this passages' meaning. Is it saying that there is no afterlife? Or is it just mentioning that you fade from Earth or what? It seems to be it is stating that you simply just died before Jesus came along.

Building doctrine on odd verses from Ecclesiastes (or any of the other books of wisdom literature) is not a good idea. They are books exploring different aspects of life, relationship to God, etc.

2. Which Ten Commandments?

So. We have two separate conflicting Ten Commandments, which are THE Commandments? We have the list from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 but also there is a list of Ten Commandments on Exodus 34 which are a little different? (I would post links but the forum does not allow me to.)

Focusing on minor differences in the telling rather than the substance of the descriptions is to completely miss the point.

3. Firmament

Is the firmament canon? A giant sphere over the Earth to separate the waters above us from us? Since this has already been disproved via the 50 years or so of space exploration. Can you explain to me how this is so or can you give me a separate definition for the firmament using the bible as your source?

Giving a scientific definition for firmament makes as much sense as giving a geographical location for middle-earth. It's part of a non-scientific world view.

4. Galaxies

Does the bible say anything about the thousands of galaxies and billions of stars beyond our own and what is the purpose for their existence.

Like the rest of creation - to celebrate the glory of God.

5. Trinity

Where exactly is the trinity spelled out in the bible? I can't seem to find it. Only John seems to come closet but even he is ambiguous and inconsistent.

It isn't. The fundamental ideas are there in John and Paul, but not spelled out in so many words.

6. Cursed

Why does the genealogy in Matthew 1 show that Jesus descended through acursed line? Jeconiah (Jehoiachin) and his father Jehoiakim were both cursed by God himself, who said that neither of these men would have any descendent on the throne of David. How could Jesus possibly be the Messiah, destined to ru le forever on the throne of David, if he descended through either of these men?

A lot of Jesus' life takes the traditional stuff and radically reinterpretes it.

7. Jesus' Knowledge

I'm curious about the connection between Jesus and God. I am curious about how Jesus just knew all the teachings of God. Was their a learning period he went through or something? Surely knowing you where the song of God and knowing you where to be killed by the people you would come to enlighten would not sit well on a teenager's shoulders.

Jesus' knowledgeof his own vocation isn't something we know in detail, but its unlikely he knew was "son of God" in the terms we understand that. What he did know by the time he came to his active ministry was that he had to do and say what only YHWH could do and say. Exactly when he came to realise that, and when he came to understand what that meant in terms of dying, is something we can only speculate since we aren't told anything of his life from ages 12 (probably when he first started to be aware of a special vocation) and about 30.

 

[Demian]

Building doctrine on odd verses from Ecclesiastes (or any of the other books of wisdom literature) is not a good idea. They are books exploring different aspects of life, relationship to God, etc.

No I am not building docine. I was just unsure of what the passage meant, just because it is wisdom literature should not make it any less important in scripture.

Focusing on minor differences in the telling rather than the substance of the descriptions is to completely miss the point.

Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 are virtually the same but Exodus 34's rendition is drastically different.

Giving a scientific definition for firmament makes as much sense as giving a geographical location for middle-earth. It's part of a non-scientific world view.

But it's in the bible.. God created as says Genesis and the Bible is supposed to be fact and infallible much unlike good Mr Tolkien's writings.

Like the rest of creation - to celebrate the glory of God.

Nothing more? Okay then.

It isn't. The fundamental ideas are there in John and Paul, but not spelled out in so many words.

So how to the Trinity belief come to be when it is not in the bible? Once again not a loaded question just wish to know where Christians base their beliefs off of.

A lot of Jesus' life takes the traditional stuff and radically reinterpretes it.

How so and does this diminish the actual facts?

Jesus' knowledge of his own vocation isn't something we know in detail, but its unlikely he knew was "son of God" in the terms we understand that. What he did know by the time he came to his active ministry was that he had to do and say what only YHWH could do and say. Exactly when he came to realise that, and when he came to understand what that meant in terms of dying, is something we can only speculate since we aren't told anything of his life from ages 12 (probably when he first started to be aware of a special vocation) and about 30.

I see.

 

[JesusIsMyBoaz]

Hello there.

I have a few questions regarding Christianity and I figured whom better to answer my questions then some Christians themselves so I hope you guys can assist me.

To clear a few things up though in case they become problems in the future. Yes I am a Satanist, no I am not a devil worshiper, yes I am only 13 but please do not use parental quotes such as "You are not old enough to understand" or something as equally demeaning, treat me as an equal please and I will show you the same liberty. Also for the record no these questions are not loaded as it seems most questions here are, just a few uncertenties I have.

Okay moving on.


1. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (NIV)

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

Okay. I am not quite clear on this passages' meaning. Is it saying that there is no afterlife? Or is it just mentioning that you fade from Earth or what? It seems to be it is stating that you simply just died before Jesus came along.

2. Which Ten Commandments?

So. We have two separate conflicting Ten Commandments, which are THE Commandments? We have the list from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 but also there is a list of Ten Commandments on Exodus 34 which are a little different? (I would post links but the forum does not allow me to.)

3. Firmament

Is the firmament canon? A giant sphere over the Earth to separate the waters above us from us? Since this has already been disproved via the 50 years or so of space exploration. Can you explain to me how this is so or can you give me a separate definition for the firmament using the bible as your source?

4. Galaxies

Does the bible say anything about the thousands of galaxies and billions of stars beyond our own and what is the purpose for their existence.

5. Trinity

Where exactly is the trinity spelled out in the bible? I can't seem to find it. Only John seems to come closet but even he is ambiguous and inconsistent.

6. Cursed

Why does the genealogy in Matthew 1 show that Jesus descended through acursed line? Jeconiah (Jehoiachin) and his father Jehoiakim were both cursed by God himself, who said that neither of these men would have any descendent on the throne of David. How could Jesus possibly be the Messiah, destined to ru le forever on the throne of David, if he descended through either of these men?

7. Jesus' Knowledge

I'm curious about the connection between Jesus and God. I am curious about how Jesus just knew all the teachings of God. Was their a learning period he went through or something? Surely knowing you where the song of God and knowing you where to be killed by the people you would come to enlighten would not sit well on a teenager's shoulders.

I believe those are all of the things I am confused on, thank you very much for your time.

Hello Demian,

I hope I can answer your questions. I don't know how to use the quotes for messaging, but I'll do my best.

1. First, you should understand who wrote Ecclesiastes and why. Solomon was the wisest King of Israel. If you read Proverbs, you will see exactly how wise of a man he was. He also wrote Song of Solomon. In Ecclesiastes, Solomon is an old man, looking back at his life. He shows how life not centered on God in purposeless and meaningless. In Chapter one, he is lamenting, "Meaningless, Meaningless!! Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless!" Now that is despair! He tried "Everything under the sun" and after doing all of this, he realized that nothing in the end was different.

9:2 says "All share a common destiny, the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean", this is Death. Poor Solomon! Vs 4 "Anyone who is among the living has hope, even a life dog is better off than a dead lion!"

Now, read Vs 5 this way "For the living know that they will die (because we are alive, and death comes to all), but the dead know nothing (because they are dead), and they (the dead) have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten...."

By the time you get the Chapter 12, Solomon gives this advice starting in verse 1, "Remember your Creator in the days of your youth..."(meaning, if we don't remember or think of God in our youth, we probably won't think of him when our life draws to a close), through vs 7-8, "And the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it" Putting this all together, Solomon is saying that we all die, our bodies become dust, but the spirit (our soul) returns to God. Think of Solomon as a very wise Grandfather, sitting down and having coffee with you as he tells you about his life, and gives you advice about your own. That's how I read it.

It is best to read scripture as a whole, not just bits and pieces. It would be like picking up the latest best seller and reading every other page.

2. In Exodus 20, Moses had just received the 10 commandments from God on Mount Sinai. This is shortly after God rescued his people from slavery in Egypt. By Deuteronomy 4, the Israelites have been wandering the desert for 40 years, and are about to enter into the Promised Land. These are the children of those that had been freed from slavery, and Moses repeats the commandments that God had given him 40 years earlier. They may be worded slightly different, but they are the same commandments.

3. I don't know exactly what the "Firmament Canon" is, but the Hebrew word used here means "difference or space", for instance, the difference between light and dark, or the space between water and land.

4. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth", please note, it is "the heavens and earth", not "Heaven and earth". You can check with different translations of the bible, and you will see that it is small "h", not big "H".

5. The word Trinity is not in the bible. This word comes from the 1st Council of Nicaea in 325BC. But consider this:

1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God. (Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:6-8, Isaiah 45:22)
2. The Bibles teaches that there is one who is called the Father and is identified as being God. (1 Peter 1:2)
3. The Bible teaches that there is one who is called Jesus and is identified as being God. (John 1:1-3&14-18, John 20:28-29, 1 John 1:1-4&5:20, Philippians 2:5-8, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 22:12-20)
4. The Bible teaches that there is one who is called the Holy Spirit and is identified as being God. (John 14:16-17, John 15:26, John 16:7-15, Acts 5:3-4, Acts 13:2, 1 Corinthians 12:4-18, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 10:15-18) afcministry com

6. Cursed: This is a very complicated question. I found a interesting answer to this dilemma here www arlev clara net/genjeconiah htm
But if you look at all the names in Jesus' genealogy, you will realize that Jesus was willing to be identified with sinful humanity. His ancestry was not "sinless" or untainted. I know that's not a very great explanation, but the website above was helpful for me.

6. Jesus' knowledge: Look back at Trinity and you understand where Jesus' knowledge came from. He was born a man, but he was still God, he died a man's death, but was still God.

I hope something here was helpful. Now, can you tell me what Satanism is? I would have assumed that it was devil worshiping, so please help me to understand.

God Bless You!

 

[ebia]

No I am not building docine. I was just unsure of what the passage meant, just because it is wisdom literature should not make it any less important in scripture.

No, but you have to treat it as whole document that is exploring what life is about in often hyperbolic language - trying to "find a meaning" for verse or two in isolation isn't going to work.

Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 are virtually the same but Exodus 34's rendition is drastically different.

Eh? I don't see the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 34

But it's in the bible.. God created as says Genesis and the Bible is supposed to be fact and infallible much unlike good Mr Tolkien's writings.

The bible is not a scientific document and shouldn't be treated as such. It's not "supposed to be fact", it's supposed to document God's revelation of himself to his people, in a wide variety of literary genres.

Nothing more? Okay then.

What could be more than that?

So how to the Trinity belief come to be when it is not in the bible? Once again not a loaded question just wish to know where Christians base their beliefs off of.

The ideas are all there in the bible - but the dot's aren't all joined for us. The doctine of Trinity is reasoned from the bible, by the church, guided by the Holy Spirit.

How so and does this diminish the actual facts?

It doesn't. It redirects where one should be looking.
Jesus whole vocation is about taking the Jewish tradition and (not throwing it away but) saying "hay - you're missing the point".

 

[mpok1519]

the Bible also never mentions the fall of Lucifer, or the rebellion of the angels.

yet its considered to be apart of the Christian creed, even though such stories were actually imprinted from early greek/minoan legends/mythologies.

 

[thinkfreelivefree]

Pretty intelligent 13 year old /impressed

 

[mpok1519]

yeah, for real. I hope he has room in his head left for imagination and creativity though. =)

 

[ContentInHim]

the Bible also never mentions the fall of Lucifer, or the rebellion of the angels.

yet its considered to be apart of the Christian creed, even though such stories were actually imprinted from early greek/minoan legends/mythologies.

Do you have any proof for this statement?

 

[mpok1519]

The rebellion of lucifer is no where in the Bible. heck, no where in the Bible does it say that satan used to be an angel that used to work for God. There are parts that ALLUDE to the fall of lucifer

the fall of the devil can also be related to the legend of prometheus, stealing fire from the gods and giving it to the humans, damned to an eternity of confinement on a rock while a bird eats his liver. (very much like how the devil convinced adam and eve to gain knowledge through the tree of knowledge and know good from evil. Prometheus gave people fire so they could advance on with such a technology)) but that story is also based off another earlier one, and so on, and so on.

Also, the fall of lucifer is said to have come from Homer's Illiad, alluding tot he fall of Hapheastus (the god/goddess of fire I think) from Mt. Olympus

the story of the fall of lucifer had to come from somewhere, right?

I dont think theres any definative proof of this, however, as people who've been recounting myths and legends never got together and said "ok, this is how it happened in my eyes, but your version of the story also makes sense too, do you think they were just the same story?"

I had a mythology professor who said the story of the devil and prometheus are very similiar, and more than likely the stories both evolved on their own but shared inherently similiar characteristics.

but know this; the fall of lucifer from Heaven is NOT in the Bible, yet, why do so many Christians believe this to be apart of the faith?

In the Vulgate, an early-5th-century translation of the Bible into Latin by Jerome, Lucifer ("light-bearer") occurs in Isaiah 14:12-14 as a translation of the Septuagint Greek word heosphoros ("dawn-bearer"), an epithet of Venus. The original Hebrew text of this verse was הילל בן שחר (heilel ben-shachar), meaning "Helel (bright one) son of Shachar (dawn)". Helel, the morning star, was a Babylonian / Canaanite god who was the son of another Babylonian / Canaanite god Shahar, god of the dawn. Isaiah 14:12 is translated "How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning!" in the American Standard Version translating Hebrew Helel as "day-star" and the Hebrew word ben as "son" and the Hebrew word shahar as "morning." The 21st Century King James translates it as "Lucifer, son of the morning".
In Isaiah, this title is specifically used, in a prophetic vision, to allude to the king of Babylon's pride and to illustrate his eventual fate by referencing mythological accounts of the planet Venus:
14:4 You will recite this parable about the king of Babylonia: How has the oppressor come to an end, the arrogance been ended? 14:10 They will all proclaim and say to you, "You also have been stricken as we were; you are compared to us. 14:11 Brought down to the nether-world were your pride and the tumult of your stringed instruments; maggots are spread out under you, and worms are your covers. 14:12 How have you fallen from the heavens, O glowing morning star; been cut down to the ground O conqueror of nations? (Isaiah, Artscroll Tanakh) In the Vulgate, an early-5th-century translation of the Bible into Latin by Jerome, Lucifer ("light-bearer") occurs in Isaiah 14:12-14 as a translation of the Septuagint Greek word heosphoros ("dawn-bearer"), an epithet of Venus. The original Hebrew text of this verse was הילל בן שחר (heilel ben-shachar), meaning "Helel (bright one) son of Shachar (dawn)". Helel, the morning star, was a Babylonian / Canaanite god who was the son of another Babylonian / Canaanite god Shahar, god of the dawn. Isaiah 14:12 is translated "How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning!" in the American Standard Version translating Hebrew Helel as "day-star" and the Hebrew word ben as "son" and the Hebrew word shahar as "morning." The 21st Century King James translates it as "Lucifer, son of the morning".
In Isaiah, this title is specifically used, in a prophetic vision, to allude to the king of Babylon's pride and to illustrate his eventual fate by referencing mythological accounts of the planet Venus:
14:4 You will recite this parable about the king of Babylonia: How has the oppressor come to an end, the arrogance been ended? 14:10 They will all proclaim and say to you, "You also have been stricken as we were; you are compared to us. 14:11 Brought down to the nether-world were your pride and the tumult of your stringed instruments; maggots are spread out under you, and worms are your covers. 14:12 How have you fallen from the heavens, O glowing morning star; been cut down to the ground O conqueror of nations?

 

[gmd]

as far as the question about the cursed line of Jesus her is what i have found out. Josephs line is outlined in Matthew because he is speaking to the Jews of that day. The Rabbis are legalistically concerned about lineage through the male. Jehoiakim and Jeconiah came through Solomons line King Davids son. The curse come on bloodline descent, not an adoption, hence Joseph adopted Jesus which gives him legal rights through Davids throne. But God made sure through Mary the blood line is descended through Davids other son Nathan. Thus through parents Jesus,Messiah, fulfills prophecy through the line of David.
As far as Trinity well in the OT Genesis God said let US
make man in Our Own Image ,Plural, and no it was not the angels He was talking to they had no hand in Creation they are a creation. They NT speaks of The Father,Son and The Holy Spirit throughout. Jesus said I and the Father are One. There are other references but I do not pretend to understand the whole thing. All I know is Christ Crucified and Resurrected

 

[gmd]

In Ezekial 28 and Isaiah 14 the kings of Babylon and Tyre were being spoken of
But the real powere behind them both is also being spoken of when references are made to the anointed cherub which can be no human king. God was showing the orginal status of Lucifer. In Revalation the great Dragon who was cast out and took a third of the stars in heaven with him which refers to the angels. Yes it is difficult to understand why it is worded this way but I have to believe God has his reasons.Jesus constantly refers to the dark spiritual realms and casting out demons
I am sure this is utter nonsense to you but worshopping the darkness you worship is utterly dangerous to me. I may have got my chapter reversed but you are a bright boy you can figure it out

 

[mpok1519]

also, Venus the planet has also been attributed to Lucifer, the morning star.

I think the kings of babylon simply didnt believe in the same God the hebrews did, and the hebrews simply referred to worshipping planets/the sun as worshipping the devil/the antithesis of God.

Kid, if you're apart of the Luciferian wave that says Lucifer is the good god, and Adonai, the ruler of earth, is actually bad and keeps people in slavery, I'd really like to know more. Ive heard of this kind of thing, but I do not understand it.

 

[Demian]

Thank you guys. I think you have answered my questions.

the Bible also never mentions the fall of Lucifer, or the rebellion of the angels.

yet its considered to be apart of the Christian creed, even though such stories were actually imprinted from early greek/minoan legends/mythologies.

Ah, makes the Trinity theory much more plausible then.

Pretty intelligent 13 year old /impressed

Thank you.

I am sure this is utter nonsense to you but worshopping the darkness you worship is utterly dangerous to me. I may have got my chapter reversed but you are a bright boy you can figure it out

I worship only myself.

Kid, if you're apart of the Luciferian wave that says Lucifer is the good god, and Adonai, the ruler of earth, is actually bad and keeps people in slavery, I'd really like to know more. Ive heard of this kind of thing, but I do not understand it.

-sigh- I would know nothing about this. I am a Satanist, not a Luciferianist.

 

[mpok1519]

ah, so you're a satanist, the teachings of enlightenment through excess.

but sometimes excess can hurt you.

 

[Demian]

ah, so you're a satanist, the teachings of enlightenment through excess.

but sometimes excess can hurt you.

What does this have to do with my questions and your statement makes it obvious you know nothing of my Church.

 

[mpok1519]

Im just recounting what other Satanists have told me. So I guess now your next response should be "well they know nothing of my church as well" so, I'll just save you the time and say it for you.

=)

 

[Demian]

Im just recounting what other Satanists have told me. So I guess now your next response should be "well they know nothing of my church as well" so, I'll just save you the time and say it for you.

=)

Mkay.. anywho anyone else have any answers to my questions they feel they need to share?

 

[salida]

The answers.

1) This is about life in general on planet earth.

2) Its the same 10 Commandments - there is just one 10 Commandments.

3) Outer space - the second heaven - stars and galaxies

4) Galaxies- Gods creation - also since there are billions of galaxies most likely - the Hubble told us this - it shows Gods greatness. It also most likely separates between earth the the third heaven - Gods infinite throne- this heaven has no end; (2 Co 12:2- third heaven)

5) Trinity - no its not in the bible as "trinity" - but when one reads throughout the Bible it defines this. Its the One What and the Three Whos - all have the same divine nature, power and essense.

For example,/ One God, Before no god was formed, nor will there be one after me, Isaiah 43:10/The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are declared to be fully and complete God - One God the Father-1 Corinthians 8:6/ The Father speaking to the Son says - Your throne O God, will last forever and forever - Hebrews 1:8/ Next, Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit - not lied to men but to God - Acts 5:3-4.

There are relationships between the three - the Father and Son love one another and speak to each other (John 17: 1-26) and send the Holy Spirit (John 15:26). Jesus proclaims and He and the Father are two distinct witnesses and judges - (John 8:14-18)

6) God isn't ruled by a cursed generation of humans. King David wasn't cursed - but was after Gods heart.

7) - Yes, he knew He must take on the sins of the world because of His overwhelming unconditional love for us.

Also, read The Evidence that Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (it would stand up in a court of law concerning bible) and Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (a former athiest) for a start if your researching.