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If you think rituals are useless unto salvation, why did you get baptized?Is your church full of people who are born again or people who are only following rituals, thinking that's the way to get to heaven because that's what thier denomination teaches?
That verse must be read in the context of the preceding v.12 - “all who desire to LIVE A GODLY LIFE”. ItAnd the Holy Spirit gave us the Bible to test/and-correct doctrine
2 Tim 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
Yes.
This forum is also supposed to be about a denomination. "Protestants" is not a denomination.
Nevertheless, I'll accept your protest. I had thought it was permissible to correct factual errors made by others, simply for the sake of having the discussion evaluate actual beliefs and practices rather than stereotypes, misperceptions, or the like.
The Nicene Creed was instigated at the First Council of Nicaea in 325.It was the universal church.
1Tim 3:15 says the Church is "the pillar and foundation of THE TRUTH". How come (what you refer to as) "the people of God" have very different and often conflicting ideas about what "the truth" is?The pillar and foundation/ground is the people of God.
Nowhere does the Bible say it is a complete guide to doctrine.The Bible is God's revelation which guides the believers' doctrinal orientation
Honestly I'm not sure the Methodists have a clear teaching on what baptism is supposed to do. They are the one Protestant church I have attended that practice baptism of infants. The wesleyans don't... they have child dedications, but they are not about salvation.I'm pretty sure Methodists believe that baptism is a sign of regeneration and new birth. And they accept all modes of baptism. That being sprinkling, pouring, and immersion as valid. I also think they preform infant baptisms. Could you give a short list of the churches you've been in that do not believe in baptismal regeneration?
I looked it up, apparently the debate was actually set off by the Synod of Dort....among Reformed divines in the 1620s and 30s.Well, I am pretty sure Protestant churches like the Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Methodists to name a few would argue that. If I remember correctly, even the early fathers of the Reformation believed in Baptism. So when was it that this changed (date/year) among the different Protestant churches beliefs like your own? And who changed this original belief of the Protestant reformation fathers? And by who's or what authority? Especially being all these Protestant churches and sects abide in the same bible?
Of course emotions aren't always an indicator of what is true.Are you saying emotions are your guide to finding "all truth" (John 16:13)?
I hope Catholics are doing what their Church tells them, because the Catholic Church is the “fullness” of Christ (Eph 1:22-23) and holds the “keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt 16:19).
In 325 were there other believers outside the Catholic church? Serious question. The creed is a collection of beliefs we agree on in regards to doctrine. The church at any time period is all true believers. Does one have to be in an institution to believe what the creed says?The Nicene Creed was instigated at the First Council of Nicaea in 325.
Who was this "universal church" that held the First Council of Nicaea? It was a visible organization with a hierarchy of recognized leaders in authority, so it must have had a name.
Where is this visible, hierarchical, "universal church" today?
I never said they were useless and apparently you misread that.So you don't think all rituals are useless?
Yes it does ... in John 16:13 (for starters), Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us to "all truth". .
That verse must be read in the context of the preceding v.12 - “all who desire to LIVE A GODLY LIFE”. It
So 2Tim 3:16 is referring to one’s behaviour … aka, works. The part you left out of 2Tim 3:16 says, “that the man of God may be complete, EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK”.
Furthermore, “All scripture” in that verse refers to the Old Testament, not the New Testament.
And 2Tim 3:16 doesn’t say “scripture” can be used to test ALL doctrine
, nor does it say scripture contains “all truth” (John 16:13).
1Tim 3:15 says the Church is "the pillar and foundation of THE TRUTH". How come (what you refer to as) "the people of God" have very different and often conflicting ideas about what "the truth" is?
So you don't think all rituals are useless?
Sorry, but you definitely did not.
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The Holy Spirit Himself is the One who grants to the saved illumination, not any Church organization, regardless if Lds, JW, or Rome!I certainly did response to your statement...
You said:
"Under the Protestant/Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) theological system, is it your belief, and would you agree, there exists no person or no institution that can infallibly decide what is true and what is false for Christians when it comes to matters of faith and/or morals?"
And I said:
Pretty obvious per God's Own Word that man is accountable to HIM, and not a system devised 'by' men. Lord Jesus ENDED the Levitical priesthood of the old covenant system upon His cross when the veil of the Holy of Holies was torn asunder. Why do 'some' men try to put that veil back up, violating God's Own Word?
And that is exactly what the Isaiah 2:22 verse is about, God Himself speaking there...
Isa 2:22
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?
KJV
The Holy Spirit Himself is the One who grants to the saved illumination, not any Church organization, regardless if Lds, JW, or Rome!
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