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No.Thanks to everyone for your replies. As promised, here's question 2. I've also included Google's definition of homeostasis to ensure we're all talking about the same thing...
homeostasis -- the tendency toward a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes. (Google)
Question 2: Do you believe in the existence of some form of intelligence that controls homeostasis in organisms?
Question 2: Do you believe in the existence of some form of intelligence that controls homeostasis in organisms?
Of course not, why should anyone believe in such a thing? does anyone have a reason? even if there was how would we know?Question 2: Do you believe in the existence of some form of intelligence that controls homeostasis in organisms?
Sorry it's not clear. C# is my primary language.I'm not sure you've worded your question very clearly, what is "some form of intelligence"? Is a thermostat on my central heating at home one?
What homeostatic functions are you referring to?
Why would anyone "need to believe" how they function anyway, just name one (e.g regulation of body temperature) and I'm sure someone can explain to you how it works.
I'm not being deliberately evasive here, your question really isn't that clear to me.
Not even possible because various circumstances would have been needed simultaneously for various molecules.I'd like to ask the atheists here a few questions, one at a time, and get your responses to them. I have no "agenda" or big buildup to a "gotcha" at the end, I would just like your responses to each of the questions in this thread if you don't mind. I won't be arguing/debating what you say; they're just questions. Ok? Let's start...
Question 1: Do you believe that there was a chance merging of organic materials necessary at just the right time, circumstance, and environment to produce a living entity?
1: Physiological.No. I have no evidence of such, nor anything that would point to such an inference, so I have no belief in the existence of any such intelligence(s).
A couple of counter questions:
1: Are you referring to genetic or physiological homeostasis (or one of the other uses)?
2A: What do you mean by "some form of intelligence?"
2B: All intelligences that we have evidence for are tied to physical substrates. Is you question implying the existence of a non physical or disembodied intelligence?
No.Thanks to everyone for your replies. As promised, here's question 2. I've also included Google's definition of homeostasis to ensure we're all talking about the same thing...
homeostasis -- the tendency toward a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes. (Google)
Question 2: Do you believe in the existence of some form of intelligence that controls homeostasis in organisms?
There is assuredly such a suggestion. You may not have intended it, but it is there, nevertheless.There is no such suggestion..
I fully accept your statement, but be aware that the approach you have used unfortunately mirrors one often used by individuals asking loaded questions and with a very definite agenda.I am just posing benign questions. I have no agenda except to better learn what atheists believe about some things.
I have assumed nothing, but deduced a probable belief based upon comparison with many previously known instances. I acknowledged the doubts associated with that deduction through the use of the word "suggest" rather than "demonstrate", or "prove". Would you agree that if my deduction had been correct then my characterisation of your position would have been accurate?To call my position foolish because you *assume* what I do or do not believe is rude.
Personally, I think it's a bit strong to use the word "deduction", but as I said at the outset, I'm not here to argue -- just asking questions. I'm trying to not ask loaded questions, and I have no agenda. You'll see at the end (there are only 4 questions) that the conclusion of this thread will be quite anti-climactic.There is assuredly such a suggestion. You may not have intended it, but it is there, nevertheless.
I fully accept your statement, but be aware that the approach you have used unfortunately mirrors one often used by individuals asking loaded questions and with a very definite agenda.
I have assumed nothing, but deduced a probable belief based upon comparison with many previously known instances. I acknowledged the doubts associated with that deduction through the use of the word "suggest" rather than "demonstrate", or "prove". Would you agree that if my deduction had been correct then my characterisation of your position would have been accurate?
Thank you for your reply. As noted earlier I fully accept your explained motives for the thread and apologise for any rudeness that came across in my first response.Personally, I think it's a bit strong to use the word "deduction", but as I said at the outset, I'm not here to argue -- just asking questions. I'm trying to not ask loaded questions, and I have no agenda. You'll see at the end (there are only 4 questions) that the conclusion of this thread will be quite anti-climactic.
Not even possible because various circumstances would have been needed simultaneously for various molecules.
Sorry it's not clear. C# is my primary language.
A thermostat is not a form of intelligence imo. It's a man-made device programmed by people.
An example of a homeostatic function I'm referring to is the tendency of warm-blooded creatures (say humans) to maintain a fairly constant internal temperature.
I'm not asking about a "need" to believe. Just simply if you believe something is true. (You may want to substitute "think" for "believe" if that helps.) And I'm not interested in the physiology behind how our homeostatic functions work. The point is that I'm trying to see if you believe/think there's any intelligence behind them.
Thanks.
I don't believe there is an intelligence governing homeostasis in organisms.Thanks to everyone for your replies. As promised, here's question 2. I've also included Google's definition of homeostasis to ensure we're all talking about the same thing...
homeostasis -- the tendency toward a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes. (Google)
Question 2: Do you believe in the existence of some form of intelligence that controls homeostasis in organisms?
2A: You can define that in your answer.
2B: I'm trying to *not* imply anything. Instead I'm trying to ask questions in a vanilla fashion, without biasing them by my Christian worldview. (Not easy, I recognize.)
Well, I'm sure you're hugely oversimplifying this, but I think I know what you mean, and the answer is yes.Question 1: Do you believe that there was a chance merging of organic materials necessary at just the right time, circumstance, and environment to produce a living entity?
Intelligence? No.Question 2: Do you believe in the existence of some form of intelligence that controls homeostasis in organisms?
"Some form of intelligence" is a statement virtually without context.
If by "intelligence" you mean conscious action by a living agent, then no
If by "intelligence" you mean sub-conscious/autonomic actions by a living agent, then its a highly qualified yes. This is the only example of adjustment of the systems of a body that we have (apart from infectious agents and cancer and the like). It's not a conscious, wilful process though. My last two partners were doctors - and the amount of time they spent trying to figure out why their patient's systems were out of balance was staggering.
If by "intelligence" you mean a non physical controlling agent, then no. There's noting to support this.
Question 1: Do you believe that there was a chance merging of organic materials necessary at just the right time, circumstance, and environment to produce a living entity?
Question 2: Do you believe in the existence of some form of intelligence that controls homeostasis in organisms?
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