A few crucial questions..

HeIsReal · Dec 4, 2006

Ok well, im a believer myself, although i fall into satan's temptations sometimes...My question's here are for other people that want to know him but just cant believer because no one has answered their questions. So im hoping one of you may help me, to help them.

1) Where did God come from?

I myself know that God is the alpha and omega, he was and is and is to come. This is enough for me, for i understand what it means, but i cant specifiy more on it to other people.

2) If adam and eve were white, where did black people come from?

I really don't know, my answer was that year's go buy, many family's can change throughout time, maybe someone get's tanned really well, and passes the gene's on to their children in someway. Need help on this one.

Lastly i have a question for my own use. I recently came to Christ with i think is an amazing way. Although i was stoned, i still understand what he was saying to me. Ive been clear from every known sin that i know of for about 1 month, until today i fell into temptation and did some bad thing's online. I was thinking, "well i havn't been baptised yet, maybe i can enjoy some more things in life still before i get baptised." I know this has to be wrong but i know when i get baptised and receive his spirit, i will fully commit my life to him and work for him. Should i stop sinning even if im not baptised, and be strong to keep him close to me? or does my life begin when i get baptised.

JulySheMustFly · Dec 4, 2006

1 - God is. I am that I am. There is no He came from . . .
2- Be careful. We have no idea what color skin Adam and Eve had although God's original chosen people where not white as in northern european decent caucasion.

When you make the decision to commit your life over to Christ and accept the gift that He has given us by his death on the Cross you then also make the decision to follow Him. That means you try to stop the sinful activities in your life. Will you 100% succeeed? It is unlikely but you will/should start to make those changes and God will work on you with those stuborn persistent sins than plague us.

The baptism part is viewed slightly different by many. Personally, I don't believe that it is through baptism that I received the Holy Spirit. I believe that baptism is an open expression of your new life of a washed clean new creation. I also believe that it is an important thing to do in following the example that Christ set.

Hope that helped you out and welcome to CF!

Finally, a question for you. What is slowing you from baptism?

Sketcher · Dec 4, 2006

HeIsReal said:
1) Where did God come from?

I myself know that God is the alpha and omega, he was and is and is to come. This is enough for me, for i understand what it means, but i cant specifiy more on it to other people.

He didn't begin, He always was. When you really think about it, someone or something had to always exist from which the universe was created.

HeIsReal said:
2) If adam and eve were white, where did black people come from?

I really don't know, my answer was that year's go buy, many family's can change throughout time, maybe someone get's tanned really well, and passes the gene's on to their children in someway. Need help on this one.

I don't think they were white. They would have had a darker skin tone, but not all the way black. Something from which all the races could branch out from.

HeIsReal said:
Lastly i have a question for my own use. I recently came to Christ with i think is an amazing way. Although i was stoned, i still understand what he was saying to me. Ive been clear from every known sin that i know of for about 1 month, until today i fell into temptation and did some bad thing's online. I was thinking, "well i havn't been baptised yet, maybe i can enjoy some more things in life still before i get baptised." I know this has to be wrong but i know when i get baptised and receive his spirit, i will fully commit my life to him and work for him. Should i stop sinning even if im not baptised, and be strong to keep him close to me? or does my life begin when i get baptised.

Yes, you should stop sinning now. When you really receive Him, you receive the Holy Spirit too. This happens before your baptism (see Acts 10:44-48). In fact, if you have that attitude, I would re-evaluate my commitment to Him if I were you. We all sin, we are not perfect, but we are expected to sin less and less until we sin no more. I don't know of any Christian in history who got to that point before he died, but what matters is we strive towards that goal no matter close or far we are from it. That is what God is after, and that is how we express our love for Him (see John 14:15).

HeIsReal · Dec 4, 2006

Thank's for replying.

I'm planning to get baptized, hopefully soon. Probably whenever the next baptism occurs in my church. Very interesting that you guy's say adam and eve were not white, they could have been mixed color then and it went on from there, no one knows. I got another question though.

Colossians 3:22

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

What is it referring to here, or who is referring to? (Confused who slaves are and masters)

Arclight610 · Dec 4, 2006

HeIsReal said:
Ok well, im a believer myself, although i fall into satan's temptations sometimes...My question's here are for other people that want to know him but just cant believer because no one has answered their questions. So im hoping one of you may help me, to help them.

1) Where did God come from?
Existence, beginning, end, and time are all a human concept. We do not quite understand it because we have never encounter anything like this in our daily lives. It's like trying to explain the internet to someone from the 1600's. You can tell them as much as you can about it, but will they understand or believe you? Probably not. Then how do you expect our less than 200 IQs to explain a concept of God? That's how I explain it to person who asks. I use the internet analogy.

I myself know that God is the alpha and omega, he was and is and is to come. This is enough for me, for i understand what it means, but i cant specifiy more on it to other people.

2) If adam and eve were white, where did black people come from?
Tower of Babel? Evolved that way? No one really knows. Does it really matter though? Did Adam or Eve ever have a belly button is the better question

I really don't know, my answer was that year's go buy, many family's can change throughout time, maybe someone get's tanned really well, and passes the gene's on to their children in someway. Need help on this one.

Lastly i have a question for my own use. I recently came to Christ with i think is an amazing way. Although i was stoned, i still understand what he was saying to me. Ive been clear from every known sin that i know of for about 1 month, until today i fell into temptation and did some bad thing's online. I was thinking, "well i havn't been baptised yet, maybe i can enjoy some more things in life still before i get baptised." I know this has to be wrong but i know when i get baptised and receive his spirit, i will fully commit my life to him and work for him. Should i stop sinning even if im not baptised, and be strong to keep him close to me? or does my life begin when i get baptised.

You should do your best to stop sining now since you have been baptised with the Holy Spirit by accepting Christ.

-TJ-

JulySheMustFly · Dec 4, 2006

HeIsReal said:
Thank's for replying.

I'm planning to get baptized, hopefully soon. Probably whenever the next baptism occurs in my church. Very interesting that you guy's say adam and eve were not white, they could have been mixed color then and it went on from there, no one knows. I got another question though.

Colossians 3:22

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

What is it referring to here, or who is referring to? (Confused who slaves are and masters)

Thanks for your answer. I tend to forget how other churches do the baptisms and having to wait sorry about that.

Slaves were slaves and masters were masters.

In context you'll see that the previous verses discuss the other members in a household. Colossians was also written very closely to the letter to Philemon which is about the situation between a runaway slave and his master.

Sketcher · Dec 4, 2006

HeIsReal said:
I'm planning to get baptized, hopefully soon. Probably whenever the next baptism occurs in my church.

Contact one of the pastors and talk to them about getting baptized.

HeIsReal said:
Colossians 3:22

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

What is it referring to here, or who is referring to? (Confused who slaves are and masters)

Just what it says, slaves and masters. We use the work ethic presented here today in the context of the workplace, even though everyone is a free person.

HeIsReal · Dec 5, 2006

Awesome reponses. It really did help me out, I'm going to have Jesus take the controls of my life! Blessed all of you! <3

Is it true his return will occur when the word is heard throughout the world? I'm talking about the people that have not even heard of Jesus Christ. Is this why there is so many missionaries today to try and spread the word to every human out there!

-People that die without ever even hearing about Christ, will they be judged differently since no one told them how to live and who he is?

JulySheMustFly · Dec 5, 2006

That is a big can of worms that I'm not going to attempt to answer because I simply don't know.

MarkEvan · Dec 5, 2006

1) Where did God come from?

As you have said, He is the alpha and the omega, God has always been and will always be He is eternal.

2) If adam and eve were white, where did black people come from?

Although I can`t proove it..Adam I think was actually reddish, kind of a clay colour as that was what Adam meant, and apparntly from that colour you can get all kinds of variations, although as I said I have no proof and am only quoting something I heard, but hey food for thought.

Lastly i have a question for my own use. I recently came to Christ with i think is an amazing way. Although i was stoned, i still understand what he was saying to me. Ive been clear from every known sin that i know of for about 1 month, until today i fell into temptation and did some bad thing's online. I was thinking, "well i havn't been baptised yet, maybe i can enjoy some more things in life still before i get baptised." I know this has to be wrong but i know when i get baptised and receive his spirit, i will fully commit my life to him and work for him. Should i stop sinning even if im not baptised, and be strong to keep him close to me? or does my life begin when i get baptised.

God gives His spirit when we are born again, we get baptized as a symbol of our passing from death to life, the two are not synonomous, baptism is mearly a outward sign of something that has happened inwardly.
As to sinning, satan will say anything to keep people in bondage to sin, you judge for yourself...Jesus says "go away and sin no more.

-People that die without ever even hearing about Christ, will they be judged differently since no one told them how to live and who he is?

Imo, Paul deals with these in Romans 2 vs 16 etc, he says that those who have not heard the law, or in our case the gosple, will be judged by their concienses and it is these that will accuse or perhapse excuse them on the day of judgement.

Mark

Hope that helps.

snowflake04 · Dec 7, 2006

Also remember in the building of the tower of babel, that is where all the different languages came in and God may have brought up different nationalities as well.. we really dont know. Some of the different nationalities of people had to arise after the flood too.

Silver-winged Flyer · Dec 8, 2006

I don't know what colour Adam and Eve were but if you look at those people who are dark skinned they live in hot areas and the 'white' people generally live in colder climates so I think that skin colour slowly developed over hundreds of years to suit their environment.

As for people who have never heard of God - I've heard people use this idea to explain it - you can see God in everything - He created the world we live in so there is no way that people can be unaware of the fact that there is a God even if they don't hear the gospel message. God will reveal Himself to people who seek Him. Hope that makes sense.

Sketcher · Dec 8, 2006

HeIsReal said:
Is it true his return will occur when the word is heard throughout the world? I'm talking about the people that have not even heard of Jesus Christ. Is this why there is so many missionaries today to try and spread the word to every human out there!

That's part of it, yes.

HeIsReal said:
-People that die without ever even hearing about Christ, will they be judged differently since no one told them how to live and who he is?

It is the Christian's responsibility to drastically reduce that number. As for those who never had the chance, God has some way of covering that. Those that grew up with God's Word are certainly judged stricter than those who grew up without it. See Romans 2:12.

Weasel7711 · Dec 8, 2006

HeIsReal said:
Ok well, im a believer myself, although i fall into satan's temptations sometimes...My question's here are for other people that want to know him but just cant believer because no one has answered their questions. So im hoping one of you may help me, to help them.

1) Where did God come from?

I myself know that God is the alpha and omega, he was and is and is to come. This is enough for me, for i understand what it means, but I cant specifiy more on it to other people.

My understanding is:
1. Time and space and physics are all created things
Therefore: God is not a created being and exists in a realm outside of space and time. Thus, the term God always "was" is a hard statement to make because God doesnt exist in past, present, or future, He just exists. Like when he said to Moses, tell them "I AM" sent you. God is, not was or will be, IS, present continuing tense.
2. I dont know where he came from since he wasnt created, he just is, thats my best explanation, sorry it suck

HeIsReal said:
2) If adam and eve were white, where did black people come from?

I really don't know, my answer was that year's go buy, many family's can change throughout time, maybe someone get's tanned really well, and passes the gene's on to their children in someway. Need help on this one.

Well according to the Mormons, black people didnt side with Jesus or Satan in his rebellion, therefore Elohim (Jesus' and Satan's dad [and yes according to them they are separate entities] aka God) cursed them for not taking a side and turned their skin black....
crazy...

Anyway, I am an old earth creationist. If you take the young earth viewpoint (the earth is a few thousand years old) after Noah, during the tower of Babel incident, God separated the people, gave them different ethnic looks and languages and scattered them.
According to my beliefs as an old earth creationist (the earth is really old, and I am NOT an evolutionist) people migrated, lived in areas, their skin adapted to the conditions, darker people generally lived in warmer, dryer climates, the presence of larger amounts of melanin in their skin prevents sunburn and other things, etc, etc, etc. we are all different based on our area of origin. Obviously nordic people who live in colder climates, lack as much melanin, and are generally have more hair on their face and body. Im not an anthropologist so I cant prove any of this.

HeIsReal said:
Lastly i have a question for my own use. I recently came to Christ with i think is an amazing way. Although i was stoned, i still understand what he was saying to me. Ive been clear from every known sin that i know of for about 1 month, until today i fell into temptation and did some bad thing's online. I was thinking, "well i havn't been baptised yet, maybe i can enjoy some more things in life still before i get baptised." I know this has to be wrong but i know when i get baptised and receive his spirit, i will fully commit my life to him and work for him. Should i stop sinning even if im not baptised, and be strong to keep him close to me? or does my life begin when i get baptised.

Some people disagree on this subject. I take the belief that your new life begins when you convert, and baptism is a symbol of that. The presence of the holy spirit doesnt mean that you will automatically stop sinning or suddenly have victory over sin, but you now have an "ally" in your fight against sin, if you will yourself over to God's will, he will be your strength, and you wont have to rely on your own weak will and "strength" to save you. I do believe that, since baptism is commanded by believers, you should get baptized right away.

Hope that helped, ill be praying for you.

Qyöt27 · Dec 8, 2006

Weasel7711 said:
Some people disagree on this subject. I take the belief that your new life begins when you convert, and baptism is a symbol of that.

Generally those that view it as separate are a pretty small number. Even those that view baptism as a sacrament (which would be Methodists, Anglicans, Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, and a few others) don't view it as the point where the person receives the Holy Spirit or begins their new life; that is typically still viewed as being simultaneous with when the person converts.

To the OP: Stuff like Adam and Eve (or as Weasel7711 pointed out, the age of the Earth) are often a really touchy subject because views on it differ so widely - evidence of that can be pretty readily seen by taking a trip to the General Theology section of CF. Generally I never thought of the color of their skin being important to the overall point of that section of Genesis (even when I was a creationist).

Michael03 · Dec 8, 2006

It's very hard for us to understand, that God was never "created" like everything else we know. He has just always been there. You mind wants to keep comming up with questions like "well, what if something did create him and we just have no knowledge of it?" Silly things like that. Nothing could have created him, because that would require a more higher power than God, which does not exist. Perhaps it's safer to tell our minds "He created himself"? That still doesn't seem accurate. Even though this is hard to believe or seems impossible to us, we just have to have faith and believe that it is true.

HeIsReal · Dec 8, 2006

Thank you for all your replies! It really helped me understand more, increasing with faith. And so i think ive got the answer to where God came from.

God created all, he created time for US. Time for us is something that makes us think. If we didn't have time we wouldn't ask where God came from. But time makes things move in a way i guess.

AND ONE MORE THING! Something that i believe should increase anyone's faith! I been thinking.

Why the Devil? Why evil to the world, why all this suffering? Ok, let's go back, God created all, Devil was not there. All was perfect, perfect ENDLESS lives, (because theres no sin, and sin=death). But still, life does not run by itself. You have to work still in life, food won't walk to you. Crops don't harvest themselves. We would have perfect lives, but we still have to work all our ENDLESS life. Do you want to work forever? In my opinion, perfect life is great, but working forever isn't. So this is why God had the Devil, although the Devil was not suppose to deceive and sin which brought death, or maybe God knew the "worker" (devil) will sin. So this way, there is death, an end to your working lives. Now it is up to you to live your working lives with rightiousness or with wickedness. Reward=undescribable, non-working (serving or praising the lord, IMO isnt working.), beautiful, wonderful, exciting, heavenly lives for the people that lived their first earthly lives with Christ! Or you can follow the Devil in his first mistake of deceiving/lying which put a forever curse on him, to eat dust and be thrown to hell with his angel's on the day of judgement! Which i also believe will occur in our generation.

One more thing. You have 2 death's on earth, the death where Christ speaks to you and that moment you have the choice to live with him which you die to your sins on that day, and live holy till the day of your physical death which will be painless if you are truly with him. Or you can reject him on this "first death day" and you will forever live dead. (Unforgiven sin=rejecting Christ.)

The saying "Second chance" is true. Unless you don't want to take the second chance (You die, and he gives you a chance to live rightious) and be dead forever and ever.

If anyone wants to read my "first death" story, give me a PM. Because oh man, how real he is. SO REAL! AMEN.

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