A few bad eggs

Archivist · Jan 29, 2014

InSpiritInTruth said:
Yea, but don't forsake your faith in God in order to please Caesar.

So how is applying secular law to secular matters forsaking faith in God?

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 29, 2014

Archivist said:
So how is applying secular law to secular matters forsaking faith in God?

Did you know that secular law in this country was first rooted in Gods law?

The Framework of Law: The Bible in Legal History

But what happened? Man started changing the laws to suit his own lusts and desires (sin).:o

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

And so here we are, just as the Lord said.

Archivist · Jan 29, 2014

InSpiritInTruth said:
Did you know that secular law in this country was first rooted in Gods law?

First, it would be nice if you would actually answer the questions that I ask.

Second, a link to a single website is hardly proof, particularly when the source simply quotes Christian references in English and Colonial documents. Interesting that when those legal documents that you present as proof that our laws are based on "God's law" were signed, the governments signing them were still hanging or burning people for practicing witchcraft--hardly a "Christian" practice.

The fact is that modern law can be traced to various roots. For example, modern maritime law comes to us from the ancient Law of Rhodes, which predates Christianity. Other modern laws trance their roots to ancient Roman sources which, again, predate Christianity.

You also didn't bother referencing the Treaty of Tripoli signed by President John Adams in 1797. That Treaty specifically states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

But what happened? Man started changing the laws to suit his own lusts and desires (sin).

No, secular law was applied in a secular nation.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 29, 2014

You can think what you want, but the laws in this country as well as others was rooted in the laws and commandments given in the Bible. Even the founding fathers of this country signed the constitution "in the year of our Lord" referring to Jesus Christ, as our time is also based on his birth. (as BC used to mean before Christ before men changed that as well)

But man is trying to push God and Christ out of the picture completely, even denying God as the origin of Life and all creation. (shame really):o

ChristsSoldier115 · Jan 29, 2014

InSpiritInTruth said:
Personally I don't believe it matters how much witnessing you do in this day and age, because men have hardened their hearts toward God and His Word.

Hardened ground like stone is unable to receive the good seed.

I guess we shouldn't listen to Christ's great commission then. What did He know of the world today, right?

Archivist · Jan 29, 2014

InSpiritInTruth said:
You can think what you want, but the laws in this country as well as others was rooted in the laws and commandments given in the Bible.

Still waiting for any facts addressing what I stated earlier.

Even the founding fathers of this country signed the constitution "in the year of our Lord" referring to Jesus Christ, as our time is also based on his birth. (as BC used to mean before Christ before men changed that as well)

Actually the words "In the Year of our Lord" was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved by the Constitutional Convention. It was added when the formal copy was prepared for signing simply because it was part of the standard dating system in use at the time.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 29, 2014

ChristsSoldier115 said:
I guess we shouldn't listen to Christ's great commission then. What did He know of the world today, right?

I didn't say we shouldn't listen to Christ, I said mankind as a whole has hardened their hearts to the gospel, which was also foretold of in scripture.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Jesus said the last days would be like the days of Noah and Lot. Noah was a preacher of righteousness who warned others of the destruction to come, but look how many souls actually got in the boat with Noah.

Just as with Lot, how many souls came out of Sodom and Gomorrah before the Lord rained down fire and brimstone and destroyed them all.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 29, 2014

Archivist said:
Actually the words "In the Year of our Lord" was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved by the Constitutional Convention. It was added when the formal copy was prepared for signing simply because it was part of the standard dating system in use at the time.

Here's a copy of the original, read it and weep.

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

And guess what? The phrase is still being used today by the hypocrites in government.

The Year of Our Lord: Christian Phrase Still Used on State Documents

Why do they call Him Lord, and do not as He says?

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Oh the heights of hypocrisy!

Habbit Animal · Jan 29, 2014

Archivist said:
Still waiting for any facts addressing what I stated earlier.

The declaration of war, the Declaration of Independence, and its first paragraph signifies America's reliance on God in the course of pursuing the nations liberation.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Subsequently, 56 signers of that document agreed with that preface to independence and incorporated that same legal standard regarding freedom and liberty into the government that followed. God's law as creator gave life and freedom.

No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God.
William Blackstone

Actually the words "In the Year of our Lord" was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved by the Constitutional Convention. It was added when the formal copy was prepared for signing simply because it was part of the standard dating system in use at the time.

Of course. That is because the Philadelphia Convention was where the Constitution was framed.
Dating wouldn't take place until the final draft was agreed to and that would then be dated , In The Year of our Lord so as to be in keeping with religious heritage.

And of course there is Article 7.
Article. VII. The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Archivist · Jan 30, 2014

InSpiritInTruth said:
Here's a copy of the original, read it and weep.

It would help if you would actually read what I wrote. I said that the phrase "In the Year of our Lord" was in the formal copy that was prepared for signing. However, as I said, it was not in the draft that was approved by the Constitutional Convention. The phrase that was used there was ""Done in Convention by the unanimous consent of the States present the 17th. of Sepr. &c-In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names." That is direct from Madison's notes. Apparently you never bothered looking at those.

Obviously you are the one who should be weeping, not me.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions that I asked earlier.

revanneosl · Jan 30, 2014

This idea that the laws of the US, or I've even heard "all laws" are based on the Old Testament levitical codes or the ten commandments, has been around for about 30 years. It's ridiculous, of course. Propaganda for the dominionist set, who want to stone gay people and pass laws forcing women to give birth.

Here's a pretty well-written take down of the whole canard.

Yarddog · Jan 30, 2014

revanneosl said:
This idea that the laws of the US, or I've even heard "all laws" are based on the Old Testament levitical codes or the ten commandments, has been around for about 30 years. It's ridiculous, of course. Propaganda for the dominionist set, who want to stone gay people and pass laws forcing women to give birth.

The government doesn't pass any laws which forces a woman to have sex. After that, the laws that were and which are in place are meant to protect the living being within the woman, who in most all cases willingly chose to have sex. They are not meant to force a woman to give birth.

revanneosl · Jan 30, 2014

Texas even has a law that tries to force dead women to give birth.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 30, 2014

Archivist said:
Still waiting for you to answer the questions that I asked earlier.

I already answered your question, the origins and definition of marriage was not derived from secular law.

Archivist · Jan 30, 2014

InSpiritInTruth said:
I already answered your question, the origins and definition of marriage was not derived from secular law.

I never asked that question.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 30, 2014

Archivist said:
So how is applying secular law to secular matters forsaking faith in God?

I thought that was your question?

Habbit Animal · Jan 30, 2014

revanneosl said:
Texas even has a law that tries to force dead women to give birth.

Sounds like something out of the dark ages doesn't it?

Archivist · Jan 30, 2014

Habbit Animal said:
Sounds like something out of the dark ages doesn't it?

Nothing like reducing a woman to the status of being nothing more than an incubator.

I do understand that the law was not written clearly, and the hospital decided to go with the interpretation that they had to keep a brain-dead woman on life support because she was pregnant. One member of the Texas legislature who was interviewed on NPR said that was never their intent when the law was drafted.

Archivist · Jan 30, 2014

InSpiritInTruth said:
I thought that was your question?

My questionwas "how is applying secular law to secular matters forsaking faith in God?" Your answer was "the origins and definition of marriage was not derived from secular law."

That doesn't answer the question. I did not ask about the origins of marriage. I asked how the application of secular law to secular matters is forsaking faith in God.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 30, 2014

Archivist said:
My questionwas "how is applying secular law to secular matters forsaking faith in God?" Your answer was "the origins and definition of marriage was not derived from secular law."

That doesn't answer the question. I did not ask about the origins of marriage. I asked how the application of secular law to secular matters is forsaking faith in God.

That was my point. Which came first, Gods law or mans? Which do you follow first, Gods law or mans?

Hopefully as a Christian you will follow Gods words and commandments first and foremost, and not mans.

There has been times in the past, and even now is, when mans laws are in conflict with Gods laws. So we as Christians should not support or follow mans laws when they are in direct conflict with Gods.

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