A false Jesus tomb

[gaetan8888]

Hi

Be ready..

Here's coming another attack against Jésus;

Gaetan

http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2007/02/jesus_tales_from_the_crypt.html

February 23, 2007 6:55
Jesus: Tales from the Crypt
Posted by Tim McGirk | Comments (2033) | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Email This
Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.

Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned.
--Tim McGirk/Jerusalem

 

[CaptainJoy]

Simka Yakabovich (sp) and James Cameron (sp?) were just on the Today show on NBC. They presented some very compelling evidence.

They found four bone boxes (without bones):
Jesus, Jesus' Mother, Jesus' brother, and Jesus' wife(?). (I'm not giving the actual names becuase I know I'll misremember/misspell them.) At any rate, the odds these four names would show up together is *at* *best* 100 to 1 in *favor* that these are from the family of the biblical Jesus. Nobody denies the site is not genuine.

That's what they said on the Today show anyway.

Does anybody have info that disputes these claims?

 

[gaetan8888]

Hello

That doesn't prove anything at all this discovery. There was a lot of Jospehs and Marie.

Besides it was simple for the enemy of the Christianity, like the gnostics under the inspiration of the devil, in Jesus' time to take three cadavers and to place them in cases to hide and with Jesus, Marie - Madeleine and Juda names while hoping that long time later it would be discovered and that would harm the Christian faith one day, they didn't need to see the future of Christianity to know that such a discovery would harm the Christian on day or an others.

Or the news is going to die by itself, or that it's going to grow up slowly in strength and to sow the doubt in the faith of numbers of christians.

Gaetan

 

[elsbeth]

Simka Yakabovich (sp) and James Cameron (sp?) were just on the Today show on NBC. They presented some very compelling evidence.

They found four bone boxes (without bones):
Jesus, Jesus' Mother, Jesus' brother, and Jesus' wife(?). (I'm not giving the actual names becuase I know I'll misremember/misspell them.) At any rate, the odds these four names would show up together is *at* *best* 100 to 1 in *favor* that these are from the family of the biblical Jesus. Nobody denies the site is not genuine.

That's what they said on the Today show anyway.

Does anybody have info that disputes these claims?

There's another thread up that talks about this. It has a link to msnbc which talks about the find. It seems that original archeologists who documented the find so that building could continue thought nothing unusual about it. It sounds to me like a lot of hype to make money for the two who were on the Today show.

 

[jds1977]

I totally agree Elsbeth...it's funny how they've had this stuff for 20 years and no-one's heard of it. Then, all of a sudden, James cameron and 3.5 mill. budget and Discovery gets involved to bring out this "new" evidence. It sounds pretty fishy.

 

[gaetan8888]

Hello

A researcher, whose work has focused on the Middle East, biblical anthropologist Joe Zias, has rejected the claims as "dishonest."

"It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, he was known as Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus of Jerusalem, and if the family was wealthy enough to afford a tomb, which they probably weren't, it would have been in Nazareth, not here in Jerusalem," Zias told CBS.

Gaetan

 

[catwoman2]

Paul Maier wrote at least one story along these lines (Skeleton in God's Closet). He wrote a sequel. Absolutely awesome book from a Christian Professor who proves Christianity.

 

[CaptainJoy]

I totally agree Elsbeth...it's funny how they've had this stuff for 20 years and no-one's heard of it. Then, all of a sudden, James cameron and 3.5 mill. budget and Discovery gets involved to bring out this "new" evidence. It sounds pretty fishy.

They brought this up. It seems that recent evidence (from the gospel of Philip?) gives Mary Magdalines "true" name, and this matches the name on one of the bone boxes. 20 years ago, the "Mary"'s didn't match; now they do. While there were a lot of "Mary"'s at that time, the statistical significance based on this new name for Mary Magdaline can not be ignored. Or, so they said on NBC's Today show.

I was hoping someone knew of a disenting oppinion on these stastics. Otherwise, there is no archaelogical reason, that I'm aware of, to doubt that these bone boxes are those of of the Biblical characters.

I don't like the idea these are the product of a 2000 year old hoax. They did DNA testing on the remians and showed the Jesus was not related to Mary (Magdaline). I would be interested if the test would show he is related to (The Virgin) Mary and/or his brother (I think it was). Also, I be interested in the carbon dating of the remains. These seem obvious things to check.

If someone has a links to more info, please provide them.

 

[Prodigal7]

I found this news disturbing.

One thing that brought me solace, besides my faith, is the idea that the disciples overnight were transformed from groveling cowards to brave Apostles. Would they have put their lives on the line for a myth?? I know I wouldn't.

People have been trying to disprove the Bible for 2000 years. It's funny, in our politically correct media, I'd like to see some one do this to the Koran. Oh yeah, that wouldn't be allowed.

Something fishy here. The lefty press is showing it's colors again.

 

[gaetan8888]

Hello

Skeletons have been buried in Israel, for, they say, to respect the funeral rituals, but that arranges them well, because no one is able therefore to verify and to analyze these famous skeletons!

Gaetan

 

[gaetan8888]

Hi

Here's some link who show that's a hoax;


http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/457272336.html

http://dev.bible.org/bock/node/107

http://dev.bible.org/bock/


Gaetan

 

[Gavwalk]

But wont this be bad for Muslims as well? Doesnt the Koran say that Jesus was taken by Allah? if that is true then this proves that the Koran is false as well so they wont be happy about that

 

[tigerlisa]

Hi everyone,
I'm new here...

I'm an Egyptian archaeologist, but I did my field work in Israel. Even then in 1993, we knew about this tomb, which was joked about because of the familiar names. It was a joke, though, because they were the most common names at the time period. It was like a 25% chance that that number of ossuaries (12, if I recall) would have that combination of names.

Based on the Exodus show these same folks put out last year, it is a bunch of whacked out hooey. All of the Egyptian information was dead, dead wrong, and believe me, I have an MA from Berkeley in that. So I know that this will be equally outrageously pseudo-scientifically wrong. They sound great, but they lie.

Too bad so many people will believe it. Cameron should make movies and leave archaeology to people who can speak truth.

Tigerlisa...

 

[tigerlisa]

And if there was a family tomb for this family, in Jerusalem (why there? None of the alleged inhabitants lived in Jerusalem), why would Joseph of Arimathea have had to offer his own tomb?

This is ridiculous. Aaaargh.

 

[Stinker]

So the 'other side' is presenting proof that the story handed down to us through the centuries about Jesus, is not that accurate?

Well, the 'other side' also makes the claim that the Apostle Paul (formerly Saul) became an over zealous Christian missionary to spite the Jewish establishment. They claim that it was due to his being rejected by the High Priest when he asked him for his daughter's hand in marriage.

Whether he became a Christian on the Damascus road or because of the reason Jewish history supposedly claims, the world was, and is, overwhelming blessed by this vessel of God.


People are always going to dredge up reasons not to believe and follow God. They will also manufacture reasons not to.

 

[Asra]

I'll just copy and paste this rather relevant part from the official site of this documentary:

The Resurrection

It is the central tenet of Christian faith that, some time around 30 AD, Jesus of Nazareth rose from the dead three days after his crucifixion. The Resurrection is described in each of the four Gospels.
“The Lost Tomb Of Jesus” does not challenge the fact of the Resurrection. It does, however, ask viewers to consider the possibility that it occurred from another tomb.
The writer of the Gospel of Matthew (28:12-15) addresses a rumor that was circulating in Jerusalem at the time of the Crucifixion, a rumor that we suggest can be taken for the truth. The rumor was that the disciples came by night to remove Jesus’ body from the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, a temporary tomb close enough to bury Jesus before sundown on the Sabbath. They would have moved Jesus to safeguard his remains from desecrators.
His followers then would have taken Jesus to a permanent tomb, a family tomb.
Theologically speaking, even if Jesus were moved from one tomb to another, this does not negate the possibility that he was resurrected from this second tomb. Our documentary does not address the issue of whether or not the Resurrection took place, and how. Belief in the Resurrection is based not on which tomb Jesus was buried in, but on alleged sightings of Jesus that occurred after his burial as documented in the Gospels.

The Ascension

It is also a matter of Christian faith that Jesus, on the fortieth day after the Resurrection, ascended to Heaven. Christians accept the Ascension as a fact; however, they have long debated certain issues around the Ascension.
For example, if Jesus ascended into Heaven, does that mean Heaven is “up?” Did Jesus really sit in a throne at the right hand of God or is this actually a metaphor? And finally, was the Ascension spiritual or physical? Did Jesus leave his body behind or did he take it with him?
If Jesus’ mortal remains have indeed been found, this would contradict only the idea of a physical ascension. However, it says nothing against the possibility of a spiritual one nor does it dispute the idea of the Ascension.

http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/movie_overview/disclaimer.html

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Anyways, my thoughts on this is that this documentary isn't something that proves anything, it's just trying to bring up some questions. Anyone who thinks that this is something that nulls Christianity is probably someone who likes to jump to conclusions without reading this stuff.

 

[HumbleUnderdog]

Couldn't anyone drop off a box of bones in any cave at any time?

They especially could with Jesus' tomb if it was empty when these folks buried these bones.

And how could 500 ppl have seen the risen Christ?

Those bones could be anyones.

 

[Asra]

And if there was a family tomb for this family, in Jerusalem (why there? None of the alleged inhabitants lived in Jerusalem), why would Joseph of Arimathea have had to offer his own tomb?

Thats a very good point.

 

[Celticflower]

I don't like the idea these are the product of a 2000 year old hoax. They did DNA testing on the remians and showed the Jesus was not related to Mary (Magdaline). I would be interested if the test would show he is related to (The Virgin) Mary and/or his brother (I think it was). Also, I be interested in the carbon dating of the remains. These seem obvious things to check.

If someone has a links to more info, please provide them.

They can run all the DNA tests they want. All they will be able to prove is who is related to whom by blood. Since they do not have exemplars for Mary, Mary, Joseph or Christ HOW can they prove the remains belong to who they claim???

 

[ConqueringLion]

Originally Posted by CaptainJoy
I don't like the idea these are the product of a 2000 year old hoax. They did DNA testing on the remians and showed the Jesus was not related to Mary (Magdaline). I would be interested if the test would show he is related to (The Virgin) Mary and/or his brother (I think it was). Also, I be interested in the carbon dating of the remains. These seem obvious things to check.

If someone has a links to more info, please provide them.

As CelticFlower pointed out, the DNA can only prove whether or not the people buried in the tomb are related - nothing else. As far as a link to more info, try:

jesustombexposed.blogspot.com

Lots of proof that this is all a myth.

Maranatha!