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A Deadbeat Dad?

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First off, hello! I'm new and didn't post in the newbie thread because I'm just so eager to get this question out of the way and answered by fellow Christians. Hope there aren't rules regarding that... I didn't see any. :S Also I apologize for the incoming novel! Anyway, this is an issue that has been haunting me for many months now.

So, I'm a Christian of roughly ten years, twenty years old, trying very hard to better myself everyday. This man who I have been dating for the past year is a Baptist Christian of sixteen years, though his faith has weakened since childhood.

First off, a little more info. To put it bluntly, my BFs faith has been battered well by his past. He's made some very poor decisions in his life and I think he may be blaming God for them. He decided many years ago to give up his virginity to a woman who he thought he was going to marry, then she left him, heartbroken. From then on he decided to give up keeping the biblical "no fornication" law, out of depression is what he has implied. He feels bad about it, but due to his sleeping around he now has a son, which has made him feel worse.

Now here's the big issue: he won't do anything to care for/see the boy. I've asked him on multiple occasions why he won't be a part of his kid's life, why he won't talk to the mother and try to get joint custody or anything. He just doesn't want to be a father and despises the mother (who used him strictly for having that baby), and gets either really mad or really depressed whenever I bring the topic up. (By the way, the boy was born just last July).

Now, I love this man despite his mistakes, he has many wonderful traits; he is hard-working, willing to provide, loving, sweet, generous, etc.. His problems lie with his lack of motivation, lack of spiritual guidance, and his tendency to become easily discouraged. I believe he needs a place to heal and the courage to ask God for forgiveness. I also believe he needs to face his sins and care for his baby boy. I know it's not my place to decide his actions, and I'm not trying to, it's simply that I can't stand seeing him so torn up and scarred, too afraid of his past to face the mother of his child, too scared of being a dad to face even his own kid, too hurt to follow God appropriately. He wants to pretend it never happened and have a future with me, but I just can't stand the thought of marrying a guy knowing his actions would lead others to calling him a deadbeat dad. Plus, I feel sorry for the child, I feel it needs at least one loving parent. (I should add this, my BF has actually told me that he does care about being there for his kid, so it's a bigger issue to him dealing with the mother and coming to terms with the fact he is now a father).

What can I do to help or help nudge him in a better direction? Is there anything? Is it a hopeless case? Does anyone believe sitting down and reading the bible with him might help, not just him, but both of us? Because I'd be lying if I said I read the bible enough to know (although I'm trying to now) and that this issue only bothers me a bit. It has been so hard for me to come to terms with this, especially among my other personal problems (depression, cynicism, pessimism). Are there any verses in particular I should look up for us? I don't wish to leave him... I want to help if I can.

Be as brutal as you like when answering, I'm always willing to learn seeing as how naive I can be. xD Thanks in advance for anyone who replies. :)
 

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If he dosen't want to talk to the mother, he dosen't have to. He should take it to court if he is sincere about seeing his child. It's really that simple. They will establish paternity and setup up child support and visitation rights. It's not a fun process but if he's serious then, just do it.
 
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The first thing to do is keep him and them(child and mom) in prayer.
Your boyfriend is no doubt aware of your feelings --he's got feelings too.
He keeps nursing/petting those "feelings" instead of dealing with what is causing all the upheaval in his life.
What seems to be lacking here is maturity: spiritually/physically/emotionally.
He's not ready for a real commitment...his "history" isn't too far behind him...since his baby was born last July.

You can kindly suggest that he gets connected with a Christian mentor and a prayer partner.
Someone else (not you.) You love him and have a bond...
so don't try to counsel him...find a mature Christian man to mentor/counsel
your boyfriend if he would be willing.

I would also caution you about attaching yourself to someone who isn't
willing to work on their issues...he's got a lot on his plate and you seem
to really care; however, don't allow your own "motherly" nature to lead you
down the garden path with him just yet. He's got a lot of growing to do.

Rein in those emotions a bit.
A little space if you please.

Lastly, Welcome to the Forum!
 
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The first thing to do is keep him and them(child and mom) in prayer.
Your boyfriend is no doubt aware of your feelings --he's got feelings too.
He keeps nursing/petting those "feelings" instead of dealing with what is causing all the upheaval in his life.
What seems to be lacking here is maturity: spiritually/physically/emotionally.
He's not ready for a real commitment...his "history" isn't too far behind him...since his baby was born last July.

Thank you for your reply! It was actually very helpful. And thank you for the welcome, I'm happy to be here. :) I agree with most of what you have written and have prayed fervently about the whole situation. Save, the commitment part, I'd say, rather, that he jumps into commitment too quickly. I should have explained this better above, he's afraid of being a father because he didn't have the baby within marriage, and he feels "broken", or that he has failed. He doesn't want to be a father not because he feels unready, but because he wanted to have his children with one woman, his future wife. He would have stayed with the baby's mother, married her, raised his son, all of it, if she hadn't have left him because she got what she wanted. Now he's rushing our relationship (bringing up marriage, securing a place for us to live) because he wants that "failed" part of his life drowned out, forgotten, as if it never happened. He's terribly eager to settle down (I am too, but in this case I'm trying to step back a little to view things more clearly). And I don't know how to deal with it. I feel like I have two choices, 1) help him get his act together, or 2) watch him ruin his life by trying to cover up his mistakes, and finally have to leave him.


You can kindly suggest that he gets connected with a Christian mentor and a prayer partner.
Someone else (not you.) You love him and have a bond...
so don't try to counsel him...find a mature Christian man to mentor/counsel
your boyfriend if he would be willing.
Thank you, I think this is good advice. I'll definitely see about this.


Rein in those emotions a bit.
A little space if you please.
I know, emotional sensitivity is something I'm known for, but in this case he's just as sensitive and thinks something is wrong if I start giving room. Sometimes it's frustrating. He's constantly of the mindset that I'm going to leave him because of his past, so I start to fret over it. Then I bring it up, and then he reacts negatively. It has chased me into a spot where I'm flustered all over.
 
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First off, hello! I'm new and didn't post in the newbie thread because I'm just so eager to get this question out of the way and answered by fellow Christians. Hope there aren't rules regarding that... I didn't see any. :S Also I apologize for the incoming novel! Anyway, this is an issue that has been haunting me for many months now.

So, I'm a Christian of roughly ten years, twenty years old, trying very hard to better myself everyday. This man who I have been dating for the past year is a Baptist Christian of sixteen years, though his faith has weakened since childhood.

First off, a little more info. To put it bluntly, my BFs faith has been battered well by his past. He's made some very poor decisions in his life and I think he may be blaming God for them. He decided many years ago to give up his virginity to a woman who he thought he was going to marry, then she left him, heartbroken. From then on he decided to give up keeping the biblical "no fornication" law, out of depression is what he has implied. He feels bad about it, but due to his sleeping around he now has a son, which has made him feel worse.

Now here's the big issue: he won't do anything to care for/see the boy. I've asked him on multiple occasions why he won't be a part of his kid's life, why he won't talk to the mother and try to get joint custody or anything. He just doesn't want to be a father and despises the mother (who used him strictly for having that baby), and gets either really mad or really depressed whenever I bring the topic up. (By the way, the boy was born just last July).

Now, I love this man despite his mistakes, he has many wonderful traits; he is hard-working, willing to provide, loving, sweet, generous, etc.. His problems lie with his lack of motivation, lack of spiritual guidance, and his tendency to become easily discouraged. I believe he needs a place to heal and the courage to ask God for forgiveness. I also believe he needs to face his sins and care for his baby boy. I know it's not my place to decide his actions, and I'm not trying to, it's simply that I can't stand seeing him so torn up and scarred, too afraid of his past to face the mother of his child, too scared of being a dad to face even his own kid, too hurt to follow God appropriately. He wants to pretend it never happened and have a future with me, but I just can't stand the thought of marrying a guy knowing his actions would lead others to calling him a deadbeat dad. Plus, I feel sorry for the child, I feel it needs at least one loving parent. (I should add this, my BF has actually told me that he does care about being there for his kid, so it's a bigger issue to him dealing with the mother and coming to terms with the fact he is now a father).

What can I do to help or help nudge him in a better direction? Is there anything? Is it a hopeless case? Does anyone believe sitting down and reading the bible with him might help, not just him, but both of us? Because I'd be lying if I said I read the bible enough to know (although I'm trying to now) and that this issue only bothers me a bit. It has been so hard for me to come to terms with this, especially among my other personal problems (depression, cynicism, pessimism). Are there any verses in particular I should look up for us? I don't wish to leave him... I want to help if I can.

Be as brutal as you like when answering, I'm always willing to learn seeing as how naive I can be. xD Thanks in advance for anyone who replies. :)
I would print out the above and give it to him.

You have poured out your heart perfectly and clearly without any anger
or malice and made your points very clear and easy to understand.

Give him a copy of your question and let him tell you want the next step
will be in your relationship.

If this guy has as many good qualities as you think he does,
he will see the foolishness of his own actions and commit to change
himself and his poor attitude or run the risk of losing a loving,
caring and committed person like you.

Don't be afraid, speak the truth in love by giving him a copy of your
question and see what comes out of his heart.

If he makes excuses for his behavior then you know he is immature and
unwilling to change his life even if he runs the risk of losing you.

If he wants to resolve the problems then he will talk to you and
be willing to mend his ways or start the process of change.

If he wants to stay and change, what is the next step?
Counseling?
Meeting with a pastor to discuss the situation?
Praying together for forgiveness and putting together an action plan
for him get involved with his son.

Hope this helps...
 
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Pray for him. If someone is blaming God for the problems in their life, then you know that it would be hard to say things of God through to them without them sneering and doubting you. I would not push things on him or try too hard to make him do things at this point.
I think you should keep praying to The Lord to change his heart and his mentality. Prayer is the key...it can do anything.
Prayers of a righteous person really does change things because The Lord hears it.
 
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You can't shove anything down his throat, it may make him run the other direction. Pray for him, let him know you care and that your there for him through thick and thin.
If he really wants to be a part of his son's life, he will fight it. He can file for custody(sole, joint, etc) or even just visitations. Now there is a chance that they may ask him to pay child support, maybe not. But he don't need to wait around.

I'm in a situatio nkind of like this, but not exactly. I'm 20 years old, and a mother to a beautiful almost 7 month old baby girl. Her and I lived with her biological father the first 4 months after she was born, and he showed no interest whatsoever in either of us so i packed my stuff and left. I filed for sole custody and child support. As of right now, he gets her during the day 2 days a week, and the child support is still pending. And since I filed first, it looks better on my part, but im also the primary caregiver and she's in my custody, her father just has visitations. I'm also engaged, and Payton calls him daddy, not her biological father since he just stepped back into her life. Now im all for it her bio. father being in her life if he's going to treat her right and such. but im telling you about me being engaged because if the mother of your boyfriends son gets into a relationship(a serious one) and then your boyfriend wants to try for visitations, that's going to make it harder on him because she wont want her son to have another man in her life. I know that from experience, it was so hard to let my daughter go on her first visitati nwith her dad, which was today to be 100% honet. i was tore up, but everything went well.

Anywaysssss..... just pray for him, and feel free to explain my situation to him if he's wanting to fight for his son, if you think it might help,
Ill be praying for him also. and ill be praying that God will use you to minister into his life :)
 
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Date...take marriage out of the equation at this time.
If he continues trying to pressure you about marriage etc... back off from him. Meaning: part company.

Since he has implied he wants to care for/be there for his child, has he been setting aside money for his baby? Is he looking for a lawyer yet?

That way communication with the baby's mom could be handled through legal channels.
 
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He sounds like he is in denial and, given his abused past, he probably is suffering from clinical depression.

The best thing he can do right now is to seek professional help for his problems. If he refuses, as much as it may pain you, you ought to leave well enough alone and suggest seeing other people. He needs to find help, but you cannot afford to hold his hand if he refuses to listen to reasonable solutions. Do not get yourself dragged down with him.
 
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I agree with BFine in recomending that he seek counsel from a strong brother in the Lord who may even identify with haing children outside of marriage.

Things happen but part of being mature and having a relationship with the Lord is addressing those mistakes, making wrong the right and learning from the mistakes. He can't do either of that if he doesn not acknowledge his child due to his own sin.

Although you care about him, it also says alot about what type of man he will be for you as well.

What seems that has him bound is his guilt and shame of the transgression that he has made against God by 1. fornicating and then 2. not honoring God through his family of 1 wife and children within that marriage.

What he is forgetting is God's grace and mercy and desire to care for children! I am sure that God would rather him acknowledge his child, care for him and give him the love of a natural father instead of ignoring his existance because he is ashamed that his is not married to his mother. Denying him is placing him the catergory of the "fatherless" which is written about in several passages of the bible.

Certain sciptures and examples that support this are:
1 Timothy 5: 8But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

The LORD protects the strangers; He supports the fatherless and the widow, But He thwarts the way of the wicked. Psalm 146:9

Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow. Isaiah 1:17

Isaiah 49:15, it says " "Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you."

"This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place." Jeremiah 22:3

"Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge." Deuteronomy 24:17

and many more.

The bible is clear in text and example of what a good father should do. His shame and guilt doesn't negate his reponibility to the child shares with another woman. Even if he marries you and has children in wedlock, his child is still his child.

I also agree with BFine in that you ought to pray for the child and his mother. Pray for your boyfriend to really acknowledge his transgression but to be released from selfcondenmation regarding this situation. Pray that he comes into the realization of God's grace and mercy and his accountability to stand for rightousness and cover his child. Pray that he is will counsel with a good God fearing brother that is able to encourage him in the Lord.

Refrain from marrying him and moving too quickly towards a solid committment with him until he is able to heal in these areas. If you become his wife then you will be attached to all that God requires of Him. You will benefit what he benfits from and suffer from what he suffers from so don't be so quick to sign up when you know that his actions are not pleasing to God and he is not in a place to spiritually see the ramifications of his spiritual negligence.

Pray, pray, pray and get in His word so that you will become strong in the Lord.
 
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