A couple questions

[Pete Harcoff]

1) Are there any alternate theories to explain the diversity of life on this planet besides either evolution or creation?

2) Are there any anti-evolution organizations (like ICR, AIG, etc) that are not based on a Judeo-Chrisitian belief?

 

[Stormy]

Why sure.

The Earth was seeded by aliens!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
1) Are there any alternate theories to explain the diversity of life on this planet besides either evolution or creation?

2) Are there any anti-evolution organizations (like ICR, AIG, etc) that are not based on a Judeo-Chrisitian belief?

My answer to both: None that I know of

But they are good questions: I'm been wondering about this false dilemma myself. When it comes to origins of Earth, Douglas Adams might have been right all along. (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in case you don't know who he was).

And why is it that "Creation" necessarily means Judeo-Christian creation? I don't know of any other religions that push so hard on the subject. Just once, I'd like to see someone on this forum push for the Norse creation myth to be taught in schools, for example, and watch them get laughed at. Or would they?

After all, come Judgement Day, if they ever hold it, we just might find out that Odin and his crew were running the universe all along. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. Valhalla sounds like a great place to spend an eternity.  

 

[ardipithecus]

Yes there are non-Judeo-Chrisitian evolution deniers.

One of the most nasty of them is BAV an Islamic group from Turkey.  Most of its writings are by a man who uses the pen name Harum Yahya.   This is probably the most successful evolution denying group outside of the English speaking world.

There is evolution denial based on the Hindu religion.  This Vedic creationism is the basis of Forbidden Archeology and the NBC special "The Mysterious Origins of Man."  See this.

The Raelian UFO cult deny evolution and don't fit in very well with creationism.

 

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Stormy
Why sure.

The Earth was seeded by aliens!

lol Aliens are the gods i believe that hehe

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
1) Are there any alternate theories to explain the diversity of life on this planet besides either evolution or creation?

Scientific ones? No. But useing the term theory loosely (so loosely that my fingers might fall off just by typing this) thousands, from aliens to every god imaginable.

2) Are there any anti-evolution organizations (like ICR, AIG, etc) that are not based on a Judeo-Chrisitian belief?

I'm sure that there are some muslim ones out there, I just haven't found any yet. And anyway muslim can be fit into judeo-christian loosely.

One that I can thing of that is I belive loosely based on hinduism...
http://www.mcremo.com/

And I have no idea what religion Hogland is but from the interviews I've heard he is an "Aliensdidit" believer.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/

 

[armageddonman]

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
Scientific ones? No.

 

Actually, the only scientific one is the theory of evolution. The "theory of creation" is as scientific as any other creation myth.

 

[clue]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
1) Are there any alternate theories to explain the diversity of life on this planet besides either evolution or creation?

2) Are there any anti-evolution organizations (like ICR, AIG, etc) that are not based on a Judeo-Chrisitian belief?

There's the Intelligent Design movement.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by clue
There's the Intelligent Design movement.

I see you referred to ID as a "movement" and not a "theory".

How appropriate!

 

[clue]

Originally posted by LiveFreeOrDie
I see you referred to ID as a "movement" and not a "theory".

How appropriate!

So?

I was answering Question #2 and indirectly answering question #1.  Since I am not well versed with the ID movement, I didn't want to presume too much.

 

[Morat]

  ID is based on Judeo-Christianity.

  It pretends it's not, but a glance at it's membership reveals the truth.

 

 

[clue]

Originally posted by Morat
  ID is based on Judeo-Christianity.

  It pretends it's not, but a glance at it's membership reveals the truth.

 

Here is what AiG has to say about the ID movement.

I get the feeling that if you are not for Evolution, then you are going to be labeled as the 'religious, non scientific' organization.

Now who's being irrational and fanatical?

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Morat
  ID is based on Judeo-Christianity.

  It pretends it's not, but a glance at it's membership reveals the truth.

 

Intelligent Design is labeled a 'movement'....very interesting.

and..as Morat points out...ID's basic premise is that life started by a creator.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by clue
I get the feeling that if you are not for Evolution, then you are going to be labeled as the 'religious, non scientific' organization.

How do you conclude that?

 

[Morat]

  Clue: Fine. Name me a single member of the American ID movement, anyone who has written a book, article, or paper on ID, who is not Christian.

   Let me know.

 

 

[clue]

Originally posted by Morat
  Clue: Fine. Name me a single member of the American ID movement, anyone who has written a book, article, or paper on ID, who is not Christian.

   Let me know.

 

Oh no.  Here we go again.

How about Michael Denton?

 

[MSBS]

ID is basically a christian political movement. The only reason that they claim their "theories" are not biblical is to do an end run around the constitution and the seperation clause. The thinking is that they can convince people that they have no religious affiliation so the constitution should not prevent them from putting creationism into the classroom. As has been stated before, it becomes obvious as to what this movement is about when you look at who the ID proponents are-- evangelical christians.

 

[OutletOverkill]

LOL, you called it that again...

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by clue
Oh no.  Here we go again.

How about Michael Denton?

Uh, Denton disavowed the anti-evolution views of his prior work in his latest book "Nature's Destiny". Now apparently all he argues for is divine intervention in the fine tuning of the laws of physics.

Read about it here: http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho29.htm

 

[MSBS]

Originally posted by clue
Oh no.  Here we go again.

How about Michael Denton?

Clue, you might want to check out Denton's more recent writings.  He no longer supports the ID viewpoint, and he is a supporter of evolution.