A couple of questions

[Ken-1122]

Question #1
What do you think is the worse that can happen if God were to address the entire world at the same time, in an audible voice, in a language each of us can understand to clear up all the misconceptions we have of him?
Question #2
Why hasn’t he done it?

Ken

 

[drich0150]

Question #1

What do you think is the worse that can happen if God were to address the entire world at the same time, in an audible voice, in a language each of us can understand to clear up all the misconceptions we have of him?

It would force resentment and the wrong kind of belief.

Question #2
Why hasn’t he done it?

Because it would spawn resentment and the wrong kind of belief..

 

[singpeace]

I would probably faint.​

 

[Bryanfromiowa]

I think some people still wouldn't believe.

 

[Bear.Fr00t]

I think some people still wouldn't believe.

Indeed, science would come up with some theory as to what happened and people still will not believe.

But no worries, it will happen one day...

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thes 4:16-17)

Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. (Revelation 19:11-12)

 

[elman]

Question #1
What do you think is the worse that can happen if God were to address the entire world at the same time, in an audible voice, in a language each of us can understand to clear up all the misconceptions we have of him?
Question #2
Why hasn’t he done it?

Ken

My guess is that meeting God face to face or hearing Him directly would remove our need to reason out the consequences of loving action and do the right thing because we think it is right. Instead we would be faced with doing what God said not because of it being right but because of who and what God is.

 

[Ken-1122]

Drich0150 (quote) “[t would force resentment and the wrong kind of belief.

(reply) from where do you suppose this resentment would come? From those who are on the right path; or those who are on the wrong path and deed to change directions?

Singpeace (quote) I would probably faint

(reply ) I imagine lots of others would as well! BTW cute cat

Bryanfromiowa (quote) “I think some people still wouldn't believe.”

(reply) I am sure you will never get 100%, but I am sure you will get many who will; consider the hundreds of people who converted when they thought they saw the likeness of the “virgin Mary” on a tortilla shell! (Especially when you consider nobody actually knows how the virgin mary actually looked like; could have been the likeness of some housewife of 2000 years ago as far as they know) but if heaven rejoices over 1 lost soul, imagine if a voice came from the sky!
But I agree many will not some people are too stubborn to admit when they are wrong even when faced with proof. I know of many Christians who will be reluctant to burn their bibles and pick up another book if that voice from the sky came from vinishu osiras, or another God they are unfamiliar with; would you convert?

Bearfoot (quote)”Indeed, science would come up with some theory as to what happened and people still will not believe.”

(reply) I think this country would send up a couplf of F-16 military jets to investigate the voice and science would confirm that it is not of this planet. They may not call it God; maybe an extra terrestrial or something.

Elman (quote) “My guess is that meeting God face to face or hearing Him directly would remove our need to reason out the consequences of loving action and do the right thing because we think it is right. Instead we would be faced with doing what God said not because of it being right but because of who and what God is”

(reply) or maybe those already doing the right thing will continue doing it for both reasons you mentioned and those who aren’t doing the right thing will do it not out of love but because of who God is; what do you think?

Ken

 

[drich0150]

(reply) from where do you suppose this resentment would come? From those who are on the right path; or those who are on the wrong path and deed to change directions?

Think about it for a moment. If Your version of God did not appear to you and tell you or reaffirm that absolutely everything that you have believed all of your life was true, as your father before and His father before, would you simply accept all that "God" presented? Or would you look for a reason to not believe this being to be God?

I know that would be my reaction of God turned out to be Allah, and i can imagine that would be the Jewish reaction to Christ as well as the Muslim reaction to Anything not Muslim. Or this could very well be our collective reaction if none of us had it right.

Which is probably the most accurate scenario of them all. Even if the main testaments of Christianity were the core of the religious system that God put into place, few of us could accept that our specific denomination would not be at the center of God's intended church.

As it is, we are all allowed to have our pride and grace too.

 

[razeontherock]

Question #1
What do you think is the worse that can happen if God were to address the entire world at the same time, in an audible voice, in a language each of us can understand to clear up all the misconceptions we have of him?
Question #2
Why hasn’t he done it?

Ken

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]"

Next question?

 

[Ken-1122]

Drich0150 (quote)” Think about it for a moment. If Your version of God did not appear to you and tell you or reaffirm that absolutely everything that you have believed all of your life was true, as your father before and His father before, would you simply accept all that "God" presented? Or would you look for a reason to not believe this being to be God?.......... Even if the main testaments of Christianity were the core of the religious system that God put into place, few of us could accept that our specific denomination would not be at the center of God's intended church. As it is, we are all allowed to have our pride and grace too.


Sounds like you are saying “ignorance is bliss” I disagree! I think if you are going in the wrong direction, the best thing someone can do for you is to point you in the right direction; even if it is difficult to hear.
To answer your question though, when I was Christian, and the truth was revealed to me that what I was taught from a child was wrong, I did discard what I’ve been taught and eventually came to my current way of thinking. It didn’t happen immediately, at first I was in denial and looked for excuses to justify my belief, but eventually I came around. I suspect the same would happen with a voice from the sky; at first those on the wrong path will resent the fact that which they were taught was false and will look for excuses, but eventually they will come around and convert to the truth because I believe most people actually want to know the truth.

Razontherock (quote) “Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him"[

Next question?”

(reply) Yeah I suppose that scripture was put there because such an event will never happen; but if it did; (and if that scripture wasn’t there) what’s the worst that could happen if faith wasn’t necessary and proof was granted?
K

 

[drich0150]

Sounds like you are saying “ignorance is bliss” I disagree! I think if you are going in the wrong direction, the best thing someone can do for you is to point you in the right direction; even if it is difficult to hear.

"People" do this all of the time, and look at how we react to any correction. If our hearts were able to accept correction of a pure nature then any correction in a righteous direction would do. The truth is you are saying you want correction with authority, which takes the "faith" out of belief. If God wanted faithless belief He would have made sure we would have all that was needed to have belief without faith. As it is, we are instructed to have faith.

To answer your question though, when I was Christian, and the truth was revealed to me that what I was taught from a child was wrong, I did discard what I’ve been taught and eventually came to my current way of thinking. It didn’t happen immediately, at first I was in denial and looked for excuses to justify my belief, but eventually I came around.

You changed because your changed benefited the life you wanted to live. The opposite is true here. "we" want to worship the god of our fathers.. Or rather we want to worship our traditional version of God, for some even to the exclusion of who God really is.

I suspect the same would happen with a voice from the sky; at first those on the wrong path will resent the fact that which they were taught was false and will look for excuses, but eventually they will come around and convert to the truth because I believe most people actually want to know the truth.

Actually those on the ground about 2000 years ago had access to the voice of God in the personage of Jesus Christ. and all that He represented to those caught up in the worship of their religion was unwelcome change. Those who worshiped tradition looked to discredit him and dismiss him. When they couldn't they killed Him. We see this example time and again when the "prophets of God" come with a conflicting (With our hearts wants) message of God through out the Bible.

People do not want to hear an affront to their pride even if it comes from God. Those who wish to worship God apart from pride will do so even without a "voice from the sky."

Respectfully look at all you have done in an effort to preserve the way you think and believe. You have access to the same "words from the sky" as I do in the bible, and yet you have found reason to dismiss those words. Why do you believe that if you hear those same words like a book on tape that you will think differently?

 

[solarwave]

Question #1
What do you think is the worse that can happen if God were to address the entire world at the same time, in an audible voice, in a language each of us can understand to clear up all the misconceptions we have of him?

How much would He say? Enough to clear up every misconception so that no extremist or fundementalist could use the voice of God to condemn people? It might have to be a long speech and someone would have to record it. I think it would cause many people to convert to one religion (assuming that is what the voice wants), but you would still get fundementalist. Instead of different religions fighting you might get different denominations taking their places, especially as time to by. You would still have atheists who think the voice was aliens.

As time goes by and technology advances people might come to doubt the recording words of this voice. Recorded in now old or dead languages on medium that is very old, how would they knew that the voice wasn't a hoax? Perhaps this voice and its words could be mistranslated and misunderstood in the future. Maybe they would begin to ask why this voice doesn't speak again.

So God speaking to us all could give us knowledge (would it change our hearts though?), but it would need to keep doing this for every generation.

Make of these thoughts as you will.

Question #2
Why hasn’t he done it?

I don't know. It might not be helpful.

 

[Ken-1122]

When I said: “Sounds like you are saying “ignorance is bliss” I disagree! I think if you are going in the wrong direction, the best thing someone can do for you is to point you in the right direction; even if it is difficult to hear.”

Drich0150 replied (quote) “People" do this all of the time, and look at how we react to any correction. If our hearts were able to accept correction of a pure nature then any correction in a righteous direction would do.”

(reply) I don’t think most people are as wicked as you make them out to be. For many of us; when we are proven wrong, we recognize our mistakes and change our opinions. I consider myself in that category; I’ve proven it to myself plenty of times.

(quote) “You changed because your changed benefited the life you wanted to live.”

(reply) Yeah! And the reason some muslims convert to Christianity is because they wanna eat pork chops and they don’t like having to pray 5 times a day! C’mon Drich you know better than that! The reason people change their belief system is because they had a heart felt conversion to a different direction and the same applied to me. That was an example of me proven wrong and rather than “digging in” as you claim most do, I opted to admit my mistake (after much soul searching) and changing my opinions.

(quote) “"we" want to worship the god of our fathers.. Or rather we want to worship our traditional version of God, for some even to the exclusion of who God really is.”

(reply) Humm… ain’t that a shame??? Who cares about the truth when your mind is already made up huh?

(quote) “Actually those on the ground about 2000 years ago had access to the voice of God in the personage of Jesus Christ. and all that He represented to those caught up in the worship of their religion was unwelcome change. Those who worshiped tradition looked to discredit him and dismiss him. When they couldn't they killed Him.”

(reply)IMO The problem with Jesus is he lacked credibility; nobody had reason to believe him. Now if a voice came from the clouds proclaiming Jesus as the messiah, a lot more people would have believed him! Let’s face it Jesus wasn’t the only one who claimed to be the messiah in the past, many made such claims and obviously Jesus didn’t stick out of the crowd so they dismissed him like all the others. Seems to me if God wanted to get man’s attention, he would have come up with something else.

(quote) “People do not want to hear an affront to their pride even if it comes from God. Those who wish to worship God apart from pride will do so even without a "voice from the sky."”

(reply) What about those who wish to worship God apart from pride but have the wrong information about God thus they are headed in the wrong direction? Something like that, only a credible voice from the sky can clear up.

(quote) “”Respectfully look at all you have done in an effort to preserve the way you think and believe.

(reply) If I were that stubborn, I’d still be a christian.

(quote) “You have access to the same "words from the sky" as I do in the bible, and yet you have found reason to dismiss those words.”

(reply) IMO the bible has no more credibility than the Koran, the Vedas, or the other countless unsubstantuated holy texts written by men. I dismiss yours for the same reason you dismiss all the others.

(quote) “Why do you believe that if you hear those same words like a book on tape that you will think differently?”

(reply) Credibility. The countless unsubstantiated holy texts lack credibility, a voice from the sky does not.

Solarwave (quote) “How much would He say? Enough to clear up every misconception so that no extremist or fundementalist could use the voice of God to condemn people? It might have to be a long speech and someone would have to record it.”

(reply) maybe it will be a long speech and I am sure every television station will record it and history will never forget it.

(quote)“I think it would cause many people to convert to one religion (assuming that is what the voice wants), but you would still get fundementalist. Instead of different religions fighting you might get different denominations taking their places, especially as time to by. You would still have atheists who think the voice was aliens.”

(reply) I am sure it won’t cure all the problems, but it will cure a lot of them.

(quote) “As time goes by and technology advances people might come to doubt the recording words of this voice.”

(reply) Do you think people will eventually doubt the holocaust of WW-2? I don’t; technology may advance, but once it is recorded, it’s there forever.

Ken

 

[drich0150]

I don’t think most people are as wicked as you make them out to be.

Then why isn't the bible enough? If people want a God inspired direction the here it is.

For many of us; when we are proven wrong, we recognize our mistakes and change our opinions.

That is what is written in the enlightened man's rule book. However it is fairly difficult to see it in practice.

I consider myself in that category; I’ve proven it to myself plenty of times.

Then you are indeed an enlighten man, is that your only goal?

Yeah! And the reason some Muslims convert to Christianity is because they wanna eat pork chops and they don’t like having to pray 5 times a day! C’mon Drich you know better than that!

Their's Bacon too.

The reason people change their belief system is because they had a heart felt conversion to a different direction and the same applied to me. That was an example of me proven wrong and rather than “digging in” as you claim most do, I opted to admit my mistake (after much soul searching) and changing my opinions.

I could take this opportunity to point out several conversations where I believe you have been proved wrong in your current 'theology' after much exploration and yet their was no change. Just more digging in. Why? I can only assume it is because that my theology does not fit your current desires or thoughts for your life. You like the rest of us find things to support what we already believe, and dismiss the rest.

Humm… ain’t that a shame??? Who cares about the truth when your mind is already made up huh?

Indeed.

(reply)IMO The problem with Jesus is he lacked credibility; nobody had reason to believe him.

So the miracles, walking on water feeding 5000 (couple different times) healing the sick making the blind to see, the lame walk, raising the dead, having an intimate knowledge of God that not even the most learned Jewish scholars had, all means nothing to you? None of this is credible in your best estimation?

Now if a voice came from the clouds proclaiming Jesus as the messiah, a lot more people would have believed him!

Kinda like the Voice of the Father did when He was baptized and said"This is my son in whom I am well pleased." Or in any of these other accounts of a "voice from the sky making that proclamation."

1. Matthew 3:17
   And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
   Matthew 3:16-17 (in Context) Matthew 3 (Whole Chapter)
2. Matthew 17:5
   While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
   Matthew 17:4-6 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
3. Mark 9:7
   Then a cloud appeared and covered them, and a voice came from the cloud: “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”
   Mark 9:6-8 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
4. Luke 9:35
   A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”
   Luke 9:34-36 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
5. 2 Peter 1:17
   He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
   2 Peter 1:16-18 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)

Let’s face it Jesus wasn’t the only one who claimed to be the messiah in the past, many made such claims and obviously Jesus didn’t stick out of the crowd so they dismissed him like all the others. Seems to me if God wanted to get man’s attention, he would have come up with something else.

Like what? BTW can you name anyone else who claimed to be the son of God?

Now what will you do? or is this all part of the plan?
Will you dig in? or will you bestow me with an enlightened perspective on your terrible mistake?

(reply) What about those who wish to worship God apart from pride but have the wrong information about God thus they are headed in the wrong direction? Something like that, only a credible voice from the sky can clear up.

Or something like maybe the dead sea scrolls? Not exactly a voice from the sky but it very effectively did the same thing that you believe a voice from the sky would do.

(reply) Credibility. The countless unsubstantiated holy texts lack credibility, a voice from the sky does not.

Apparently, a voice for you is all you need for belief. but what if that voice told you something that was not in the will of God? How would you discern what is from God and what is not? That is because Your only criteria has been met in the voice, what other tool do you have to know if the voice you hear is God's voice?

Muhammad had this very thing happen to him, and the rest is history.

 

[Ken-1122]

Dricho150 (quote) “Then why isn't the bible enough? If people want a God inspired direction the here it is.”

(reply) As I said before, credibility. All religious books are inspired by their Gods; you can’t believe them all!
And it doesn’t take an “enlightened man” to be able to admit when you are wrong; I would even go as far as to say if you lack this ability, there is something morally wrong with you.

(quote) “I could take this opportunity to point out several conversations where I believe you have been proved wrong in your current 'theology' after much exploration and yet their was no change. Just more digging in. Why? I can only assume it is because that my theology does not fit your current desires or thoughts for your life. You like the rest of us find things to support what we already believe, and dismiss the rest.”

(reply) I don’t believe I was proven wrong. The answers you gave didn’t meet my satisfaction because I believe they were full of holes which I pointed out to you. You may call it digging in, but I call it pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument.
I admit when I am wrong when I am convinced I am wrong; thus far you haven’t proven me wrong to my satisfaction.
Next when I said: “IMO The problem with Jesus is he lacked credibility; nobody had reason to believe him.”

Drich (replied) “So the miracles, walking on water feeding 5000 (couple different times) healing the sick making the blind to see, the lame walk, raising the dead, having an intimate knowledge of God that not even the most learned Jewish scholars had, all means nothing to you? None of this is credible in your best estimation?”

(reply) But did these things realy happen? IMO the problem with Jesus is he never wrote anything down so the only thing we know about him is what other people claimed he did; and many of these claims contridict each other. If you believe the books that eventually became the bible; as you do, according to these books these things did happen, and Jesus did claim to be the son of God. But if you believe some of the other books that people wrote about him, such as what the muslims believe for example, according to the Koran things happened differently and Jesus never made such claims. It kinda comes down to who do you want to believe.
I personally believe if Jesus did do all of those things he would have had many more followers than he had because once people found out he can feed the hungry and heal the sick, he would be spending more time caring for the needy than preaching because every sick and hungry person and their mother would be in line getting their needs met; but even if these events did take place? (which I doubt) it still can’t compare to a voice coming from the sky with today’s technology. To work a few miracles in front of a few witnesses can’t be compared to a voice coming from the sky while being recorded by NBC, CBS, ABC, fox News, MSNBC, and all the other TV stations what will keep a perminant record of the event for the entire world to remember.

(quote)” Like what? BTW can you name anyone else who claimed to be the son of God?”

(reply) well Osiris and Dionsysus comes to mind; even though their stories preluded the story of Jesus by many years, their stories are simular; but they were God’s from different countries (Greek and Egypt)
As far as those who claimed to be the messiah during the time of Jesus and in the Jewish religion, I don’t know of any because they haven’t been remembered.

(quote)” Apparently, a voice for you is all you need for belief. but what if that voice told you something that was not in the will of God? How would you discern what is from God and what is not? That is because Your only criteria has been met in the voice, what other tool do you have to know if the voice you hear is God's voice?”

(reply)Why would God tell us something that is outside of his will? I’m not getting this particular question. If God gave us physical proof of his existence, why would he give us wrong information?

Ken

 

[drich0150]

Dricho150 (quote) “Then why isn't the bible enough? If people want a God inspired direction the here it is.”

(reply) As I said before, credibility. All religious books are inspired by their Gods; you can’t believe them all!
And it doesn’t take an “enlightened man” to be able to admit when you are wrong; I would even go as far as to say if you lack this ability, there is something morally wrong with you.

(quote) “I could take this opportunity to point out several conversations where I believe you have been proved wrong in your current 'theology' after much exploration and yet their was no change. Just more digging in. Why? I can only assume it is because that my theology does not fit your current desires or thoughts for your life. You like the rest of us find things to support what we already believe, and dismiss the rest.”

(reply) I don’t believe I was proven wrong. The answers you gave didn’t meet my satisfaction because I believe they were full of holes which I pointed out to you. You may call it digging in, but I call it pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument.
I admit when I am wrong when I am convinced I am wrong; thus far you haven’t proven me wrong to my satisfaction.
Next when I said: “IMO The problem with Jesus is he lacked credibility; nobody had reason to believe him.”

Drich (replied) “So the miracles, walking on water feeding 5000 (couple different times) healing the sick making the blind to see, the lame walk, raising the dead, having an intimate knowledge of God that not even the most learned Jewish scholars had, all means nothing to you? None of this is credible in your best estimation?”

(reply) But did these things realy happen? IMO the problem with Jesus is he never wrote anything down so the only thing we know about him is what other people claimed he did; and many of these claims contridict each other. If you believe the books that eventually became the bible; as you do, according to these books these things did happen, and Jesus did claim to be the son of God. But if you believe some of the other books that people wrote about him, such as what the muslims believe for example, according to the Koran things happened differently and Jesus never made such claims. It kinda comes down to who do you want to believe.
I personally believe if Jesus did do all of those things he would have had many more followers than he had because once people found out he can feed the hungry and heal the sick, he would be spending more time caring for the needy than preaching because every sick and hungry person and their mother would be in line getting their needs met; but even if these events did take place? (which I doubt) it still can’t compare to a voice coming from the sky with today’s technology. To work a few miracles in front of a few witnesses can’t be compared to a voice coming from the sky while being recorded by NBC, CBS, ABC, fox News, MSNBC, and all the other TV stations what will keep a perminant record of the event for the entire world to remember.

(quote)” Like what? BTW can you name anyone else who claimed to be the son of God?”

(reply) well Osiris and Dionsysus comes to mind; even though their stories preluded the story of Jesus by many years, their stories are simular; but they were God’s from different countries (Greek and Egypt)
As far as those who claimed to be the messiah during the time of Jesus and in the Jewish religion, I don’t know of any because they haven’t been remembered.

(quote)” Apparently, a voice for you is all you need for belief. but what if that voice told you something that was not in the will of God? How would you discern what is from God and what is not? That is because Your only criteria has been met in the voice, what other tool do you have to know if the voice you hear is God's voice?”

(reply)Why would God tell us something that is outside of his will? I’m not getting this particular question. If God gave us physical proof of his existence, why would he give us wrong information?

Ken

Before I go point by point on your last post I need to know if you are planning to completely ignore the elephant in the room?

I need to know how to phrase my responses.

 

[Walter Kovacs]

Do you think people will eventually doubt the holocaust of WW-2? I don’t; technology may advance, but once it is recorded, it’s there forever.

There are a LOT of holocaust deniers.

 

[Sketcher]

What do you think is the worse that can happen if God were to address the entire world at the same time, in an audible voice, in a language each of us can understand to clear up all the misconceptions we have of him?

Depends on what he'd have to say.

Why hasn’t he done it?

Because he hasn't chosen to do so.

 

[Ken-1122]

Drich0150 (quote) “Before I go point by point on your last post I need to know if you are planning to completely ignore the elephant in the room?”

(reply) What have I ignored?

Walter Kovacs (quote) “There are a LOT of holocaust deniers."

(reply) True there will always be “fringe” groups who aren’t taken seriously by the majority of society. If a voice came from the sky claiming to be God and confirmed to be not of this planet, there will still be nutjobs who will deny it ever took place, but they will not be taken seriously by the more “sane” among us.

Ken

 

[drich0150]

You said:
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Now if a voice came from the clouds proclaiming Jesus as the messiah, a lot more people would have believed him!
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</B>To which I responded:
Kinda like the Voice of the Father did when He was baptized and said"This is my son in whom I am well pleased." Or in any of these other accounts of a "voice from the sky making that proclamation."

Then left you these biblical examples of this action

1. Matthew 3:17
   And a voice from heaven said, &#8220;This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.&#8221;
   Matthew 3:16-17 (in Context) Matthew 3 (Whole Chapter)
2. Matthew 17:5
   While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, &#8220;This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!&#8221;
   Matthew 17:4-6 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
3. Mark 9:7
   Then a cloud appeared and covered them, and a voice came from the cloud: &#8220;This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!&#8221;
   Mark 9:6-8 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
4. Luke 9:35
   A voice came from the cloud, saying, &#8220;This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.&#8221;
   Luke 9:34-36 (in Context) Luke 9 (Whole Chapter)
5. 2 Peter 1:17
   He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, &#8220;This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.&#8221;
   2 Peter 1:16-18 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)

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