A conversation about unity.

[ARBITER01]

You have no interest in unity, even though our Saviour prayed for, and desired, it?

I think people on here have a warped idea of what "being one" with Christ is.

Unity involves Christ likeness, His example of perfection.

 

[Strong in Him]

I think people on here have a warped idea of what "being one" with Christ is.

Unity involves Christ likeness, His example of perfection.

Did Christ ever say, "I'm doing ok, I'm not bothered abut the rest of you"?

 

[ARBITER01]

Did Christ ever say, "I'm doing ok, I'm not bothered abut the rest of you"?

Sometimes truth is not always nice.

Unless The Lord Jesus corrects me (which He does at times), your opinions are not warranted.

 

[Strong in Him]

Sometimes truth is not always nice.

No but you'll get over it - answer the question.

Unless The Lord Jesus corrects me (which He does at times), your opinions are not warranted.

It looks like my experiences with the arrogance, and judgemental attitude, of the Pentecostal movement have been confirmed.

My "opinions" are verses from Scripture.
I notice you couldn't answer my previous post and Scripture verses either.

 

[ARBITER01]

No but you'll get over it - answer the question.

It looks like my experiences with the arrogance, and judgemental attitude, of the Pentecostal movement have been confirmed.

My "opinions" are verses from Scripture.
I notice you couldn't answer my previous post and Scripture verses either.

On to ignore you go for a while.

 

[Strong in Him]

On to ignore you go for a while.

So you can't answer the question nor reply to the Scripture verses?
So be it.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

So you can't answer the question nor reply to the Scripture verses?
So be it.

Please take this personal dispute elsewhere.

 

[Strong in Him]

Please take this personal dispute elsewhere.

I don't have a personal dispute.

I was replying, maybe unwisely, to a post which stated that as the Pentecostal movement is growing and successful, (which shows they they are in favour with God) they have no need to consider other denominations, "be dragged along by them" or seek unity with them.
The tone was very much one of; "we're doing fine; we don't need the rest of you."
This is very relevant to the theme of unity. And to be honest, it's not a million miles from the Catholic stance of "we are the one, true church, others are outside of it."

But I am going to unsubscribe to this thread now. There's nothing else to say and no point in arguing.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I don't have a personal dispute.

I was replying, maybe unwisely, to a post which stated that as the Pentecostal movement is growing and successful, (which shows they they are in favour with God) they have no need to consider other denominations, "be dragged along by them" or seek unity with them.
The tone was very much one of; "we're doing fine; we don't need the rest of you."
This is very relevant to the theme of unity. And to be honest, it's not a million miles from the Catholic stance of "we are the one, true church, others are outside of it."

But I am going to unsubscribe to this thread now. There's nothing else to say and no point in arguing.

Islam is growing faster, does that also show they are in favor with God?? Maybe seek the unity you so keenly desire amongst Islam, you may get more traction there?

Size matters I guess.

(sarcasm)

 

[Strong in Him]

Islam is growing faster, does that also show they are in favor with God?? Maybe seek the unity you so keenly desire amongst Islam, you may get more traction there?

Size matters I guess.

(sarcasm)

I'm not a Pentecostal; it wasn't me who made that claim.

 

[tampasteve]

Well, I think it matters considerably.

We as a modern Protestant branch of Christianity have only been around for a little more than a 100 years, yet we are on the cutting edge with GOD it seems. We are doing quite well currently, so why would we be interested in looking back to other denominations, whether Protestant or not, and being concerned with unity?

I don't see how entertaining that would be beneficial to us one bit, given our current projection of growth to 1 billion by 2050.

Please don't take this as being rude or in mean spirit, but in my experience a lot of people are drawn to the low churches, in particular Pentecostal denominations due to the perception that they are "easy" (in comparison to Orthodox and Catholic anyway) as well as the dynamic preachers. That doesn't necessarily mean that they hold any special truth or "rightness", it just means that people are attracted to them for one reason or another.

 

[tampasteve]

I partook before I found out I wasn't allowed to. I was just another one in line to receive a wafer.

That happens a lot, broadly the RCC teaches that it is up to the person taking communion to know if they are "right" with God and if they should be taking or not. You would not likely ever encounter a RCC that would deny you communion.

 

[Servus]

That happens a lot, broadly the RCC teaches that it is up to the person taking communion to know if they are "right" with God and if they should be taking or not. You would not likely ever encounter a RCC that would deny you communion.

Even if I told the priest I'm a protestant ahead of time?

 

[tampasteve]

Even if I told the priest I'm a protestant ahead of time?

Good question, I don't know. Most likely the priest would let you know at that time, in case you did not know. Most RCC have it written on the Sunday handout so a visitor may notice it too. But if you still went up...I don't know. Most parishes also use Eucharistic Ministers to distribute the Eucharist, so they would definitely not stop you, but if you went to the priest he may or may not, but it would be incredibly brazen of you to do so after being informed.

 

[Servus]

Good question, I don't know. Most likely the priest would let you know at that time, in case you did not know. Most RCC have it written on the Sunday handout so a visitor may notice it too. But if you still went up...I don't know. Most parishes also use Eucharistic Ministers to distribute the Eucharist, so they would definitely not stop you, but if you went to the priest he may or may not, but it would be incredibly brazen of you to do so after being informed.

I agree. And knowing what I now know I wouldn't do it of course. But since Catholics and Protestants look alike, there was no way for them to know. I knew very little about Catholicism at the time. I just copied what everyone else was doing during mass.

 

[tampasteve]

I agree. And knowing what I now know I wouldn't do it of course. But since Catholics and Protestants look alike, there was no way for them to know. I knew very little about Catholicism at the time. I just copied what everyone else was doing during mass.

Yeah, I did that too when I was a teenager and my family went to mass for the baptism of my niece, I didn't know and nobody informed me.

 

[Servus]

Yeah, I did that too when I was a teenager and my family went to mass for the baptism of my niece, I didn't know and nobody informed me.

I was invited by my Catholic neighbor when we were teenagers. Apparently he didn't know either. The church which was also a school was nearby, so I hung out there at times with him.

 

[ARBITER01]

Please don't take this as being rude or in mean spirit, but in my experience a lot of people are drawn to the low churches, in particular Pentecostal denominations due to the perception that they are "easy" (in comparison to Orthodox and Catholic anyway) as well as the dynamic preachers.

Heh,...... low churches.

That doesn't necessarily mean that they hold any special truth or "rightness", it just means that people are attracted to them for one reason or another.

That would be where you are wrong. It is specifically because of the truth that is preached and taught that people are coming to Christ.

 

[tampasteve]

That would be where you are wrong. It is specifically because of the truth that is preached and taught that people are coming to Christ.

:shrug: agree to disagree

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Heh,...... low churches.



That would be where you are wrong. It is specifically because of the truth that is preached and taught that people are coming to Christ.

Certainly there is that aspect, but more than that, the local charismatic churches in my city (and I would guess 10-14 tend to be in constant flux because often times there is a "cult of personality" that surrounds particular clergy. All too often it seems that the leadership changes, and there follows an exodus to one or the other or even various and sundry churches.

To me, this is a sign of luke warm members with itchy ears and/or inconsistent preaching and application of preaching and doctrine, leader to leader.

Membership in the more traditional and High Churches tends to be much more stable; these members are less apt to move because of a Pastor, likely because of the high standards of training coming out of their seminairies. Three exceptions are Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada (affiliated with the ELCA in the US and in fellowship with the Anglican Church of Canada); The Anglican Church of Canada, and the United Church of Canada; all three of these have fully embraced "woke" theology and radical feminism, and they are are imploding presently.

The most stable in our region are as follows: Catholic, Lutheran Church Canada, Continuing Anglicans (such as the Anglican Church of North America) The Presbyterian Church of Canada and the traditional Dutch Christian Reformed Church (Calvinist).

The more traditional Churches (to a greater or lesser extent teach a theology of the Cross; the other a combination of the theology of Glory mixed with a prosperity Gospel.

I agree with Tampa Steve, easy appeals to most of society who feel it is about them and they are entitled.