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To call the Church’s teachings “erroneous” is to accuse Christ Himself of falsehood, for He promised, “The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18)
The church, yes. Not the Catholic church.
Scripture doesn't say that Jesus was talking of the Catholic church in Matthew 16:18 - i is your own clergy who have taught you that.
and “He who hears you hears Me” (Luke 10:16).
Spoken to the 72 who were sent out - not to the 12 disciples, nor Peter alone.
If you reject the Church’s teaching, you reject the means by which Christ communicates saving truth.
No. Jesus chose 12 disciples to be with him so that they could preach the Good News. He continued to teach the disciples after the resurrection because he knew that some of them would be writing the Gospels.

Christ IS truth. He communicates this through the Bible and the Holy Spirit - his word and his Spirit are also truth. Many people who do not go to Catholic churches still have the truth of the Gospel and are saved.
“Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53). That is not metaphor. That is dogma.
Yes, Christ's body and blood - not the teachings of the Catholic church.
To reject the Church is to reject Christ.
Not at all.
I've never attended a Catholic church - except for the odd ecumenical service. I don't agree with the teachings of the church.
I can assure you there is no way I have rejected Christ.

“If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector” (Matthew 18:17). That is not metaphor.
No, it's Scripture taken out of context and misapplied.
 
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It's almost like the Thirty Years' War never truly ended................................... not that it didn't, but it feels that way sometimes.
 
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I’m not a member of the RCC so your appeal does not resonate with me. You guys are welcomed to your beliefs and am welcomed to mine. Your church has no influence on my salvation since only God imparts grace.

I still love my Catholic brethren and wish you peace and blessings.
 
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Great summary. The claims of being “the one” to the exclusion of every other Christian church in the world becomes one of the wedges that prevent unifying the body of Christ.
 
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What is this sudden onslaught of Catholic righteous indignation and posturing??? You weren't doing this a while back. No, you seemed to be more ecumenically inclined. Was all of that just a put on? A facade?
Sadly, I have seen several posts from Catholics which start off, "tell me what you think ...." and a short time later become, "well you're wrong; only the Catholic church is correct."

I have noticed this with a few others topics as well.
It feels like they don't really want to know what we think, only to say that we're wrong/don't have the truth.
 
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wasn't it you who complained that Catholics have "closed communion", yet now you say Catholics are welcome to their beliefs. If that welcome is genuine then why the complaint about communion?
 
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Yeah. That's usually called 'baiting.' It shouldn't be something Christians seek to do use as a means of discussion.
 
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wasn't it you who complained that Catholics have "closed communion", yet now you say Catholics are welcome to their beliefs. If that welcome is genuine then why the complaint about communion?
Really? Just because I said that Catholics are welcomed to their beliefs does not change the fact that some need to be changed to be more welcoming. Closed communion is one.
 
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Not all who claim to be Churches are really part of The Church.

Yes... but the 7 were - and faced loosing the anointing.

5 Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
 
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Yep, humanity brings it to the edge, but the divinely instituted Church is still around
 
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Really? Just because I said that Catholics are welcomed to their beliefs does not change the fact that some need to be changed to be more welcoming. Closed communion is one.
The OP is where I'd rather dwell.
 
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Show me where it says the RCC. You do know that the early churches were independent churches right?
The term "Roman Catholic Church" was first used by the protestant rebellion. It is the Catholic Church
Through Baptism a p rein becomes part of His body not just part of the RCC. A baptism in the name of the Son, the Father, and the Holy Spirit is valid in any church not just yours.
Only if validity done
Almost correct. God must call us to repentance first (soften our hearts) before we can believe.
I am correct. God calls everyone, only some answer.
 
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Protestant churches baptise as well, you know.
I think most denominations do.
Only a few Baptize with water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit with the intention of removing original sin.

And many validity baptized so eventually reject His Church.
 
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Funny, all who have separated from His Church refer to themselves under a different name than the "Catholic Church", the name first used for His Church at the turn of the first century. Sort of tells you something, they are something different than His Church
 
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The term "Roman Catholic Church" was first used by the protestant rebellion. It is the Catholic Church

Only if validity done

I am correct. God calls everyone, only some answer.
Your opinion doesn’t count.
 
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Funny, all who have separated from His Church refer to themselves under a different name than the "Catholic Church", the name first used at the turn of the first century. Sort of tells you something, doesn't it.

No, it doesn't tell anything. Most of us still confess the catholic church, just not the Roman Catholic church.
 
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Ah yes,..... just one church/building out of all of them is correct, the rest around the world are just false.

As if a building meant anything with Jesus.
It’s not the building. It’s the mystical Body of Christ.
 
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