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“Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thessalonians 2:15) means what he and the other Apostles taught them. Not what others would teach them hundreds of years later. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 clearly speaks against added traditions, not in favor of them.

In other words if a theology, doctrine, practice, tradition was not directly specifically taught by Christ and His Apostles; that theology, doctrine, practice, tradition goes against what Paul told us in 2 Thessalonians 2:15.

In 1 Timothy 3:15 Paul speaks of the original Church which taught the original traditions taught by Christ and His Apostles, in conjunction with 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and Galatians 1:8-9.
 
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“Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thessalonians 2:15) means what he and the other Apostles taught them.
I do not think you are qualified to interpret that passage for the rest of us. Think what you like for yourself, but I have no desire to take up your views as if they were divinely inspired.
 
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I do not think you are qualified to interpret that passage for the rest of us. Think what you like for yourself, but I have no desire to take up your views as if they were divinely inspired.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 is very clearly stated. What you're going by is 2 Thessalonians 2:15 means what the Roman Catholic Church tells you it means, rather than what Apostle Paul actually clearly states.

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true Acts 17:11

It seems the Roman Catholic Church says don't to do that. Do not examine the Scriptures to see if what you're being told is true. You're not qualified to see what's true. Only what the RCC tells you is true. Especially if what the RCC tells you clearly goes against scripture it seems. I hope I'm wrong, but that's sure what it sounds like.
 
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So there's will be saved vs can be saved. That those who are active members of the RCC will be saved, whereas Protestants could be saved.
Please don't make things up. The truth is that Catholics don't believe in once saved, always saved. To the contrary, the Word of God says we are to "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling."

Phil 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; RSVCE
 
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Please don't make things up. The truth is that Catholics don't believe in once saved, always saved. To the contrary, the Word of God says we are to "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling."
That's not even close to what I said. When you misread what someone says, then of course it seems to you that they're making stuff up.

According to prominent RCC spokesman Tim Staples, it's very difficult for a non-Catholic Christian to be saved because they have to meet a lengthy rigid criteria set forth by the RCC. Which I heard him say during his debate with Steve Gregg.

Starts at 40:32

Phil 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; RSVCE
Good verse. But I wasn't even remotely talking about once saved always saved. I'm well aware of Catholic teaching on salvation, a lot of which I've heard from Catholic member @fhansen over the years.

The lion's share of what I know about and say about Catholicism is based on what I've heard from Catholics. Going back 50 years. As a child I used to go over to St. Genevieve Catholic Church and talk to priests.
 
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Catholic teaching is Christ's teaching so it ought to be clear that Catholic teaching is the norm to which others ought to move.
Catholic teaching was purely Christ's teaching up to the 5th century. If the RCC went back to those roots, that foundation, there would be a lot more unity.

And if the Catholic Church had stayed true to the original Church of 500 years, there probably wouldn't have been a schism in 1054 or a reformation in 1517. Along with a whole lot of bad things that happened in Catholic history.
 
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Oh please, I point out issues in other denominations and in Christianity as a whole where the human factor is involved.

Out of a former attempt to contribute to 'unity,' I purposefully and knowingly have been guilty of downplaying or straight out ignoring the issues and differences between all of the Trinitarian Denominations.

Shame on me! ........... well, no more. The gloves are com'n off! Who needs more primitive minded unity anyway?
 
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The unity xeno is prescribing is everyone becoming a Roman Catholic. That's all this was about.
 
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Lol! .................... You can't help yourself, can you? Well then, buckle up, buttercup!
 
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The unity xeno is prescribing is everyone becoming a Roman Catholic. That's all this was about.

Yes, I can see that this has become his 'final position.' He's going to do his RCC victory dance, I suppose.
 
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Yes, I can see that this has become his 'final position.' He's going to do his RCC victory dance, I suppose.
In celebration of what, weak apologetics and playing games?
 
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