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Not clueless. Just was interested in your in your idea in a short sentence of what we needed forgiveness ofThis really shouldn't be difficult to figure out. When the Bible talks about forgiveness, what do you think it generally is in reference to?
If you are still clueless, then check out my post #2.
I do not know you, however I am sure you are fine person and desire to know God and to be known by Him. The following scripture should make every living soul on Earth to have some serious humility!!!!!
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - Matthew 7:21-23
Please, listen to God's word. These people had FAITH and they did MANY WONDERFUL WORKS and yet they were not in communion with our Lord, "He says depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!". Apparently if these people had died at that moment they would not have gone to heaven, but unto everlasting punishment. What was the problem?? The verses following are the parable of the wise man that builds his house on a solid foundation. This wise man is compared to the person who hears the Lord and obeys Him. If he does what God tells him to do, he is wise and accepted. We can only know what God wants by the Bible only. Not what I say, not what Jason, Jim, Jerry or Judy says but what God says. Another scripture that says this very concept:
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The people above were teaching man's wisdom as doctrine and not obeying God. Not only must we have faith but we also must obey God, just as Abraham obeyed God, no matter what he was told to do. Just as two objects of mass can not occupy the same space at the same time --- we can not both be right. We can both be wrong, but we both can not be right. The Bible teaches the person who truly has faith, believes Jesus is the son of God, obeys God(not man)and loves his neighbor as himself will go to heaven.
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I'm not sure if you are doing mission work of if you learned of Jesus from a missionary??? The mission work I'm familiar with teach directly from Gods word, the Bible. That is what I was attempting to point out to you and/or anyone who'll listen. God's word says one has to obey God to be saved, faith alone is unable to please God or save you.There are spurious missionaries. Not all of those that publicly confess are true confessors. That the lips form Jesus' name will bring no one into the communion of those that are one with Jesus.
Among those that profess Jesus there are others, who've received Jesus in faith. They have power from him and can thus carry out God's will. The doing of said will thus becomes the standard by which mission's sincerity's tested.
Jesus calls God "My Father." In his humility he isn't seeking his own glory. He impresses upon his hearers the sacredness of God's revealed will; that should find expression in their lives.
On Judgment Day, many will plea on their own behalf. They'll point to deeds that have miracles' appearance. This will merit them nothing. Though they repeat the phrase "in your name," that phrase will prove their undoing.
For he, on his part, also has a profession to make. Perhaps they genuinely think that he should own them, acknowledge them, but he's of a different mind. He finds it necessary to expose their confession's meaninglessness.
Never has he known them. They've never become his intimates, their hearts were always far from him, they'd no faith.
So to him, their works prove them to be iniquity's workers, having used his name without right in carrying out something which he'd never sanctioned.
Their sentence's terrible. "Leave me,"; be separated from the salvation, the glory which intimacy with me implies. For in union with Jesus' heaven; in separation from him there's damnation.
There are spurious missionaries. Not all of those that publicly confess are true confessors. That the lips form Jesus' name will bring no one into the communion of those that are one with Jesus.
Among those that profess Jesus there are others, who've received Jesus in faith. They have power from him and can thus carry out God's will. The doing of said will thus becomes the standard by which mission's sincerity's tested.
Jesus calls God "My Father." In his humility he isn't seeking his own glory. He impresses upon his hearers the sacredness of God's revealed will; that should find expression in their lives.
On Judgment Day, many will plea on their own behalf. They'll point to deeds that have miracles' appearance. This will merit them nothing. Though they repeat the phrase "in your name," that phrase will prove their undoing.
For he, on his part, also has a profession to make. Perhaps they genuinely think that he should own them, acknowledge them, but he's of a different mind. He finds it necessary to expose their confession's meaninglessness.
Never has he known them. They've never become his intimates, their hearts were always far from him, they'd no faith.
So to him, their works prove them to be iniquity's workers, having used his name without right in carrying out something which he'd never sanctioned.
Their sentence's terrible. "Leave me,"; be separated from the salvation, the glory which intimacy with me implies. For in union with Jesus' heaven; in separation from him there's damnation.
I'm not sure if you are doing mission work of if you learned of Jesus from a missionary??? The mission work I'm familiar with teach directly from Gods word, the Bible. That is what I was attempting to point out to you and/or anyone who'll listen. God's word says one has to obey God to be saved, faith alone is unable to please God or save you.
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Yes, we are to spread the Truth. Having agreed on that, do you advocate faith only salvation?I'm a missionary here in Seosan, South Korea. That said, I consider all Christians to be missionaries.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:1-9
Paul here is of course speaking to the Christians at Thessaloniki and apparently they had been questions concerning the 2nd coming of Christ.
If you believe the Bible to be the infallible work of God, which I do, this falling away is assured.
Depending upon who you ask the epistle was inspired around 52 AD, others will say around 95 AD. Paul further informs them/us that the process had already started at the time the epistle was penned. This abasement would require not just a few years but likely a few hundreds of years. Like very gradually pulling a blind over someone's eyes. There are a number of declarations which are glaring inconsistencies with the Bible. One merely needs to use google to find the date. On a side note: our 1st amendment of the constitution was done for a reason, contrary to popular opinion today, it was NOT to keep the church out of the government.
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Not clueless. Just was interested in your in your idea in a short sentence of what we needed forgiveness of
Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Is the 'Sinners Prayer Biblical'
I am interested in why the question was asked.
God chose to use a donkey to speak to a man.
Should the question not have been 'Can God use the Sinners Prayer'?
Should one soul be saved through repeating this prayer then we should all rejoice.
Bless you all.
Carl Emerson.
For the record, I said the church, for that is the subject of the scripture quoted. Jesus only established one church. I did not say all faithful, for the gates of Hades would have then prevailed, and it did not. Since creation, there has been at least a remnant of God's people, lest we forget God's plan of salvation for mankind has existed since the beginning.Thank you JaC for your response, and posting of these Scripture passages. However, Let's look at verses 1-3 a bit closer. Could you show where these these verses speak of a falling away of "all" the faithful of the Church?
You seem to be somewhat splitting hairs here. Seeing that the nature of God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, He has insured that all I need to be pleasing unto Him is His written word, the Bible.Infallible? No. Inerrant? Yes.
Once again, do you not believe that the Bible is a historical document; I believe it is our best, by far. Do you not believe that Paul was a real man, inspired by the Almighty? If we can agree on some absolute truths, most if not all I've already mentioned, i.e., God, His word and the nature of both, the only items I would add is this -- that this discussion be conducted by two rational yet open minded individuals, for acts of futility I have no time.Again, I appreciate your responce JaC, but nowhere in this post do I see where you provided a firm date, authentic historical documents, or names of those who were involved in this Great Apostasy you speak of. I know you said I need to do is Google this information, but it was you that made this claim, so I feel it is you that needs to back up these claims with the information asked.
Hmmmmm. Look up the title "Christian Anarchism", closely related to "non-creedalism". I'm noticing a LOT of it on this forum in recent months.I didn't know God told us to be hippies.
Exactly.. and what is sin by your definition?
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16There is no such thing as my definition, but only the Bible’s definition.
The Bible says,
“...sin is the transgression of the law.”
(1 John 3:4).
Which is?
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16
You said:And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins- Acts 22:16
And by baptism our past sins are forgiven calling on the name of the Lord or which is to say by His authority.
You said:Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. - Matthew 28:19-20
You're right Jason, the Bible says exactly what it says.
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