911 Towers Were Exploded Outwards, Not Collapsed

I don't buy the official U.S.-gov't-crafted 9/11 conspiracy theory, and a theory it is. Everything I know about physics (which is by no means a vast academic reservoir) compels me to conclude that what I have seen of what happened at the WTC complex that day did not result from two 767 jumbo-jets crashing into WTCs 1 and 2 and the other purported causes. I agree with the title of this thread—those buildings were exploded outward, not victims of catastrophic structural/gravitational collapse.

ManFromUncle said:

Straw man. No serious 911 truth advocate believes nukes or "space-beams" had anything to do with it, these are disinfo attempts to discredit movement.

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You might wanna tell Stelow he's spreading 'disinfo', then.


Btodd

Btodd said:

You might wanna tell Stelow he's spreading 'disinfo', then.


Btodd

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Thanks Btodd, no one told be nothin.

I thought the clips, were interesting.......


Definition of GROUND ZERO

1: the point directly above, below, or at which a nuclear explosion occurs

2: the center or origin of rapid, intense, or violent activity or change;

Source: Ground zero - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

TasteForTruth said:

I don't buy the official U.S.-gov't-crafted 9/11 conspiracy theory, and a theory it is. Everything I know about physics (which is by no means a vast academic reservoir) compels me to conclude that what I have seen of what happened at the WTC complex that day did not result from two 767 jumbo-jets crashing into WTCs 1 and 2 and the other purported causes. I agree with the title of this thread—those buildings were exploded outward, not victims of catastrophic structural/gravitational collapse.

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‪9/11 The Great Illusion Part 3 (2 of 2): The Buildings‬‏ - YouTube

Still waiting for someone to point out the enormous sound that an explosion of such force would dictate. This isn't science fiction, so make with the goods already. Proposing an explanation is one thing; providing actual evidence that fits with the explanation is another.

Let's hear this incredible explosive force, which apparently survived the impact of the planes and the ensuing fires, please.


Btodd

Btodd said:

Still waiting for someone to point out the enormous sound that an explosion of such force would dictate. This isn't science fiction, so make with the goods already. Proposing an explanation is one thing; providing actual evidence that fits with the explanation is another.

Let's hear this incredible explosive force, which apparently survived the impact of the planes and the ensuing fires, please.


Btodd

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I'm also curious as to how they were able to ensure that the planted bombs/incendiaries/explosives were on the proper floors that the planes would hit. I mean, hitting a tower is one thing. Hitting two towers at the proper floor, where the explosives are, is quite another.

ManFromUncle said:

Straw man. No serious 911 truth advocate believes nukes or "space-beams" had anything to do with it, these are disinfo attempts to discredit movement. Thermite incendiaries and military RDX would be sufficient. As far as wiring, state of art demo would use wireless technology, RF, just as precise as wires. Basically the same technology that allows you to log onto wifi at a Starbucks. An interesting hypothetical demolition scenario is one here by Jim Hoffman (repeat "hypothetical".) It describes highly-skilled work but not rocket science. All this technology is long tried and proven.

"A Hypothetical Blasting Scenario: A Plausible Theory Explaining the Controlled Demolition of the Twin Towers Using Aluminothermic Incendiaries and Explosives with Wireless Ignition Means"

FOR MORE GO TO: [SIZE=+1]911: Venturing a Theory of the Crime [/SIZE]

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OK, couple of questions. 40 workers over a three week period in each tower, for replacing the ceiling tiles? I work in an office building, and am on the safety committee for the building. Not too long ago, we had a new wall built in the cafeteria to better direct foot traffic to the emergency exit. It was a simple week long project. I got four emails asking me about it. And our building is nowhere near as big as the two WTC towers. But nobody has come forward to talk about anything to do with ceiling tiles? I also question the removal/installation rates used to get it done in three weeks, and the delivery/installation/disposal rates that would be required to do it without anyone taking any real notice. It would take 9-hour graveyard shifts seven days a week with no breaks. If the workers were in on it, maybe, but the theory explicitly states that they wouldn't be. So you've got regular folks working obscene hours without rest, which ain't gonna happen for something like ceiling tile installation. Especially since it expects every worker to work at peak rate of replacement the whole time. It doesn't account for the workers taking away the old tiles, or the workers moving the tiles from where they were removed to the collection area. Plus cleanup, arrival, meals, pee breaks, smoke breaks, coffee breaks, complications, equipment setup, etc. Is there even any record of tiles being replaced through the entire building? That would be a major job, that wouldn't fall under regular maintenance. Any purchase orders from tile suppliers? And tenders put to market?

I also question the timing of the separate explosions. I think it mentioned 0.5 seconds between certain stages. But if things were set up through the entire building, they would have had to make sure they went off at the right time, in the right spot. Which means they would have to wait until the planes hit to actually detonate the correct areas. Which means taking 0.5 seconds to input the proper code and detonate the proper areas. Also questionable.

So yeah, it's certainly a speculative possible scenario, but it's not anywhere near as practical as the guy makes it sound. This is the real world. It's one thing to say it could be done this way, but another to show that it could actually be done this way.

I smell a conspiracy!!!

Is there not someway, they might control my mind a little better, I'm still capable of having free thought.

Btodd said:

Still waiting for someone to point out the enormous sound that an explosion of such force would dictate. This isn't science fiction, so make with the goods already. Proposing an explanation is one thing; providing actual evidence that fits with the explanation is another.

Let's hear this incredible explosive force, which apparently survived the impact of the planes and the ensuing fires, please.


Btodd

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Aw that's an easy one; The government used the "MARS" Modulated Acoustic Reduction System discovered in a spaceship wreck in Area 51. It gets even better; this system is what aliens use to be able to walk amongst us without getting noticed. That is why There was no sound of an EXPLOSION!

Skaloop said:

I'm also curious as to how they were able to ensure that the planted bombs/incendiaries/explosives were on the proper floors that the planes would hit. I mean, hitting a tower is one thing. Hitting two towers at the proper floor, where the explosives are, is quite another.

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Why would they have to put explosives on the exact floors where the planes would hit? If it was a false flag they would have a general idea then plant some in a 15 story height in the core. After the planes hit they would know which ones to detonate. It is strange how your camp works so hard to try and make it seem impossible people with the best resources and technology in the world couldn't have done 9/11 but at the same time convince everyone it was carried out by a bunch of idiotic thugs.

If nothing ever comes of this, the very least there should be an investigation to the possibility of secondary devices that can clearly be seen in videos of eye witnesses who defend that bombs went off in lobbies and basements, this could be a very feasible notion considering the chaos on that morning after the first plane hit. It would be completely irresponsible not to look into these eye witness accounts and testimonies.......why would anyone be against this sort of investigation, It would work for both sides of the arguement, the truthers would support looking for other explosives, and the 911 terrorist attackers story might be able to connect other involvements to this disaster, and find who profited from the big money dumped on wallstreet betting these airline stocks would take a dive, also they would help the truthers understand how these buildings were helped from terrorist with bombs planted after the crash

ManFromUncle said:

Straw man. No serious 911 truth advocate believes nukes or "space-beams" had anything to do with it, these are disinfo attempts to discredit movement. Thermite incendiaries and military RDX would be sufficient. As far as wiring, state of art demo would use wireless technology, RF, just as precise as wires. Basically the same technology that allows you to log onto wifi at a Starbucks. An interesting hypothetical demolition scenario is one here by Jim Hoffman (repeat "hypothetical".) It describes highly-skilled work but not rocket science. All this technology is long tried and proven.

"A Hypothetical Blasting Scenario: A Plausible Theory Explaining the Controlled Demolition of the Twin Towers Using Aluminothermic Incendiaries and Explosives with Wireless Ignition Means"

FOR MORE GO TO: [SIZE=+1]911: Venturing a Theory of the Crime [/SIZE]

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There is some great tech info but the guy is way off on labor time on the ceiling tiles. Even if the offices were empty there is no way to do two tiles per minute.

RealDealNeverstop said:

Why would they have to put explosives on the exact floors where the planes would hit? If it was a false flag they would have a general idea then plant some in a 15 story height in the core. After the planes hit they would know which ones to detonate. It is strange how your camp works so hard to try and make it seem impossible people with the best resources and technology in the world couldn't have done 9/11 but at the same time convince everyone it was carried out by a bunch of idiotic thugs.

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This is, first of all, the fallacy of special pleading: 'they would have the special technology to do this'.

Second of all, he said that because the collapses of the Twin Towers happened at the impact points of the planes. Go watch the video. Whatever magic, silent explosives were planted there, they had to survive the plane impacts, ensuing fires, and STILL work.


Btodd

Btodd said:

This is, first of all, the fallacy of special pleading: 'they would have the special technology to do this'.

Second of all, he said that because the collapses of the Twin Towers happened at the impact points of the planes. Go watch the video. Whatever magic, silent explosives were planted there, they had to survive the plane impacts, ensuing fires, and STILL work.


Btodd

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Love how your camp is so desperate you have to invent the need for "special technology."

Like I said, you find it impossible people with full security access, unlimited funds, and access to the world's best technology could not have done it but some bozos who couldn't even accomplish basics pulled it all off.

RealDealNeverstop said:

Love how your camp is so desperate you have to invent the need for "special technology."

Like I said, you find it impossible people with full security access, unlimited funds, and It is strange how your camp works so hard to try and make it seem impossible people with the best resources and technology in the world couldn't have done 9/11 could not have done it but some bozos who couldn't even accomplish basics pulled it all off.

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You apparently don't understand the fallacy, because you're the one making it. I asked how this quiet, powerful explosion was carried out, and pointed out that the collapses started at the impact points where the plane impacts and ensuing fires would have destroyed the mechanism.

Your first attempt at explaining this was: "It is strange how your camp works so hard to try and make it seem impossible people with the best resources and technology in the world couldn't have done 9/11".

You follow it up with the bolded attempt above, both of which are pleading for 'special technology' to argue the point. It's LITERALLY the fallacy of special pleading.

The 'techonology' you allude to is not named, we're supposed to just accept that it must exist, in order to hold your ridiculous conclusion. If you cannot explain away the problems I noted about this theory, and have to assume there's some 'special technology' that you cannot name that was used to carry it out, you're committing a huge logical fallacy.

And this is particularly amusing, because you acted outraged earlier when Mzungu asked you to elaborate on your demolitions theory, wanting him to 'quote where you said that', and here you are...arguing for it again! Astounding.


Btodd

RealDealNeverstop said:

Love how your camp is so desperate you have to invent the need for "special technology."

Like I said, you find it impossible people with full security access, unlimited funds, and access to the world's best technology could not have done it but some bozos who couldn't even accomplish basics pulled it all off.

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You guys are the ones inventing special technology like silent explosives and horizontal-cutting thermite.

And we're not claiming the "bozos" needed full security access, unlimited funds, and access to the best technology. We're saying it wasn't needed at all. All the "bozos" needed to do was take over a few airplanes. Which doesn't require the things you mentioned, nor does it require somehow secretly installing massive amounts of explosives in one of the busiest office buildings in the world without anyone noticing.

Skaloop said:

You guys are the ones inventing special technology like silent explosives and horizontal-cutting thermite.

And we're not claiming the "bozos" needed full security access, unlimited funds, and access to the best technology. We're saying it wasn't needed at all. All the "bozos" needed to do was take over a few airplanes. Which doesn't require the things you mentioned, nor does it require somehow secretly installing massive amounts of explosives in one of the busiest office buildings in the world without anyone noticing.

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Exactly. It really isn't that hard to believe. Once you have control of an airplane, you can take down a building such as the Twin Towers. You don't need to invent a government conspiracy to explain it.

Skaloop said:

You guys are the ones inventing special technology like silent explosives and horizontal-cutting thermite.

And we're not claiming the "bozos" needed full security access, unlimited funds, and access to the best technology. We're saying it wasn't needed at all. All the "bozos" needed to do was take over a few airplanes. Which doesn't require the things you mentioned, nor does it require somehow secretly installing massive amounts of explosives in one of the busiest office buildings in the world without anyone noticing.

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It really sucks you can't link to a single post where I say anything about silent explosives. Are strawmen all you have left?

Supreme said:

Exactly. It really isn't that hard to believe. Once you have control of an airplane, you can take down a building such as the Twin Towers. You don't need to invent a government conspiracy to explain it.

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Yet two planes took down three skyscrapers.....and in two of those structures they had the most advanced system of redundancy ever built.