9/11 Conspiracy Theory Question

[joebudda]

If they are not supported by the physical evidence, no I dont. I consider them mistaken judgments of un-trained and very frightened people

And what evidence do you have that you would like to present?

 

[oldbetang]

I take all evidence into account. But I wasn't aware we were talking about there being bombs in the pentagon, I was under the opinion that we were talking about the WTC.

I didn't say anything about bombs. I just asked if you believe the eyewitness accounts of those who were there to see it as it occurred. Do you believe the eyewitness accounts or not?

 

[Steezie]

And what evidence do you have that you would like to present?

1. There was no explosion of requisite size recorded by ANY verifiable and sourceable recording source.

2. There are no conclusive remains of explosives such as indisputable chemical signatures (All chemical signature evidence that I've seen can easily be explained by the fire, plane, or structure itself), parts of detonators or timing wire.

3. There is no conclusive evidence of explosives being planted in the building itself.

4. The logistics are nearly impossible to conduct un-detected as you would have to strip away large sections of concrete flooring, remove interior walls, relocate offices and personell, and all while maintaining secrecy. The noise of such efforts alone would alert others. Also, explosives degrade over time and to have explosives basically SIT for weeks and weeks on end while the rest of the charges are being planted will reduce the effectiveness of the explosives as a whole. Planting the explosives isnt something you can do overnight

 

[joebudda]

1. There was no explosion of requisite size recorded by ANY verifiable and sourceable recording source.

I believe the multiple eyewitness' are just that.

2. There are no conclusive remains of explosives such as indisputable chemical signatures (All chemical signature evidence that I've seen can easily be explained by the fire, plane, or structure itself), parts of detonators or timing wire.

3. There is no conclusive evidence of explosives being planted in the building itself.

And this is evidence how?

4. The logistics are nearly impossible to conduct un-detected as you would have to strip away large sections of concrete flooring, remove interior walls, relocate offices and personell, and all while maintaining secrecy. The noise of such efforts alone would alert others. Also, explosives degrade over time and to have explosives basically SIT for weeks and weeks on end while the rest of the charges are being planted will reduce the effectiveness of the explosives as a whole. Planting the explosives isnt something you can do overnight

Now can you cite your sources?

 

[Steezie]

I believe the multiple eyewitness' are just that.

They arent though. They cant be verified.

And this is evidence how?

Because in renders your circumstantial evidence moot.

Now can you cite your sources?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/kaboom/loizeaux.html
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=12

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Okay, I'm going to cut to the chase.

There is no conspiracy. Planes hit a building.

Our government is way to stupid to pull off a heist that big.

Can we just END it?

 

[joebudda]

I didn't say anything about bombs. I just asked if you believe the eyewitness accounts of those who were there to see it as it occurred. Do you believe the eyewitness accounts or not?

This thread is about explosions in the WTC. If you would like to start another thread I will not stop you.

 

[joebudda]

They arent though. They cant be verified.

Unless you can show that they got together somehow and discussed what they are going to say before they said it. If not then their multiple accounts of multiple explosions verify each other.

 

[Steezie]

Unless you can show that they got together somehow and discussed what they are going to say before they said it. If not then their multiple accounts of multiple explosions verify each other.

No they do not. They may back each other up but just because MULTIPLE people screwed up does not mean they are right. Their stories are not backed up by ANY conclusive physical evidence.

If they are, then you should be able to present it. The fact that you havent makes me think that you cant

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

I think that 9/11 was carried out by...

(cue sinister and dramatic music)

ALIENS FROM INSIDE THE
HOLLOW EARTH

Hey, it's no less absurd than any of the other tinfoil-hat ideas I see posted in threads like this, and a hollow earth is a lot sexier. I had the hots for Dian of Pellucidar when I was younger...
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[joebudda]

No they do not. They may back each other up but just because MULTIPLE people screwed up does not mean they are right. Their stories are not backed up by ANY conclusive physical evidence.

If they are, then you should be able to present it. The fact that you havent makes me think that you cant

Your OP says there were no explosions heard.
The multiple witness' who were there say otherwise.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Okay, I'm going to cut to the chase.

There is no conspiracy. Planes hit a building.

Yes. Planes hit a building, but its far more complex than that. You have the questions of how and by what mechanism the buildings collapsed and why they collapsed in that particular manner. These questions are important because they present a number of structural engineering issues and need to be considered when constructing other buildings.

As for there being absolutely no conspiracy, are you suggesting that not even Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda conspired to attack the United States? It is a very interesting claim to make the 9/11 resulted from absolutely no conspiracy. It must happened by accident then.

Our government is way to stupid to pull off a heist that big.

Can we just END it?

Ask yourself this. If the United States government, with its Pentagon and official agencies, and billions of dollars of global military and intelligence resources was "to stupid to pull of a heist that big", then what could be said of al Qaeda whose base of operations is within a cave?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Your OP says there were no explosions heard.
The multiple witness' who were there say otherwise.

And I guess the passengers on all those planes are even now being held in a hangar out at Area 51, keeping the little green men company...

 

[joebudda]

Eyewitness Accounts of WTC Explosions on 911



http://youtube.com/watch?v=n593Hth8h9M

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F7B_9TXCPX4&feature=related

I thought the multiple witness testimony who heard the explosions should be bumped.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And I guess the passengers on all those planes are even now being held in a hangar out at Area 51, keeping the little green men company...

What a strawman. Is ridicule your only response?

 

[oldbetang]

ACCOUNTS OF EXPLOSIONS
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[Steezie]

Your OP says there were no explosions heard.
The multiple witness' who were there say otherwise.

I said that there were no explosions RECORDED or heard by people who should have heard them.

You have a handful of witnesses and ZERO physical evidence to back thier stories up.

Either back up what they say with physical evidence or duck out now

 

[joebudda]

I said that there were no explosions RECORDED or heard by people who should have heard them.

You have a handful of witnesses and ZERO physical evidence to back thier stories up.

Either back up what they say with physical evidence or duck out now

Duck out of what? All I am showing is what persuades me.
As I have said many times, don't believe them if you don't want to. I could care less.

 

[Steezie]

Duck out of what? All I am showing is what persuades me.
As I have said many times, don't believe them if you don't want to. I could care less.

Im gonna ask you once more

Either back up what you're saying or clear the field for someone with the stones to do so

 

[jamesrwright3]

Unless you can show that they got together somehow and discussed what they are going to say before they said it. If not then their multiple accounts of multiple explosions verify each other.

Dude this is laughable. There is no physical evidence of any explosions in the WTC whether that is audio tape (when the towers collapsed) of visual i.e. tape of the Towers when they collapsed.