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[Leah Daniels]

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[dlamberth]

Hello everyone. I hope you're having a good day. I have a question and need your help, please.

So if there was this person who was a prophet, and God told them to wear ugly clothes, as a way of communicating that they have nothing to do with worldly fashion and complete rejection of worldliness, and they have beautiful gloves and hair bows that God seems to be saying they need to get rid of, would it be wrong to sell the gloves and bows to someone else, or should it be considered in this person's eyes that they are making someone else sin by selling them to someone else, and therefore condoning wearing them, when they can't, or should it not be considered a big deal, because not everyone has to dress like that? Also I will add, this person who is doing this thinks that everyone should dress that way, and that they are not "better than anyone else" so maybe it would be wrong to give these gloves and bows to someone else, because in their mind everyone should be dressing this way, but it's not something this person has completely figured out, and so it's possible this is just something God told this person to do, and it's okay for others?

Please let me know your answer. Thank you for your time.

In reading this what comes is a question: Is this person confusing what they believe God is telling them with what their ego is telling them?

 

[dlamberth]

What do you mean by ego? Are you saying, they might think they are such an amazing prophet in an egotistical way that they are so pretentious to think God wants them to wear ugly clothes? What exactly do you mean by that?

That's not what I mean. Prophets are human beings, just like you and I complete with all of the mental stuff that you and I go through. The question I have is what is this person listening to? Is it truly God speaking to them? Or something else?

 

[Chesterton]

Hello everyone. I hope you're having a good day. I have a question and need your help, please.

So if there was this person who was a prophet, and God told them to wear ugly clothes, as a way of communicating that they have nothing to do with worldly fashion and complete rejection of worldliness, and they have beautiful gloves and hair bows that God seems to be saying they need to get rid of, would it be wrong to sell the gloves and bows to someone else, or should it be considered in this person's eyes that they are making someone else sin by selling them to someone else, and therefore condoning wearing them, when they can't, or should it not be considered a big deal, because not everyone has to dress like that? Also I will add, this person who is doing this thinks that everyone should dress that way, and that they are not "better than anyone else" so maybe it would be wrong to give these gloves and bows to someone else, because in their mind everyone should be dressing this way, but it's not something this person has completely figured out, and so it's possible this is just something God told this person to do, and it's okay for others?

Please let me know your answer. Thank you for your time.

If God tells one individual to do something, I don't see why we should think everyone needs to do it. God told the prophet Hosea to marry a prostitute. I don't think he wants all of us to marry prostitutes.

 

[Chesterton]

Thank you for your response.

So you don't think that it's considered obedient for all Christians to wear ugly clothes and no accessories?

In my humble opinion, I think Christians should dress modestly, and not flashy, and not a lot of "bling", but I don't think we need to go out of our way to dress ugly.

Doesn't that sound like what everyone should consider as being obedient to not having anything to do with the world?

That's an interesting question. I'm Eastern Orthodox, and our priests wear all black every day of the week for exactly that reason - to symbolize their being "dead to the world". They also have a tradition of not having "hairstyles" - they let hair and beards grow long naturally. I myself am clean-shaven. It's not a hard and fast rule, just a tradition some follow. But neither the women nor the men try to dress what you would call ugly.

 

[Chesterton]

Interesting. How do the people in your church dress, besides the leaders?

Just normally. Some wear their Sunday best, like suits and ties and nice dresses. Others wear blue jeans.

 

[Robban]

Hello everyone. I hope you're having a good day. I have a question and need your help, please.

So if there was this person who was a prophet, and God told them to wear ugly clothes, as a way of communicating that they have nothing to do with worldly fashion and complete rejection of worldliness, and they have beautiful gloves and hair bows that God seems to be saying they need to get rid of, would it be wrong to sell the gloves and bows to someone else, or should it be considered in this person's eyes that they are making someone else sin by selling them to someone else, and therefore condoning wearing them, when they can't, or should it not be considered a big deal, because not everyone has to dress like that? Also I will add, this person who is doing this thinks that everyone should dress that way, and that they are not "better than anyone else" so maybe it would be wrong to give these gloves and bows to someone else, because in their mind everyone should be dressing this way, but it's not something this person has completely figured out, and so it's possible this is just something God told this person to do, and it's okay for others?

Please let me know your answer. Thank you for your time.

Code of dressing (Judaism), is a fascinating study, for example, always right over left except with shoes, left first to remind of

donning tefillin.

Black is prefered, black being neutral it does not draw attention to one´s person.

In the NT Paul had to rebuke some who made a big show of themselves with expensive hairdos and fine clothing,

thereby shaming those who were poor and could not afford such things.

I myself have had and have fine clothes but I feel much more comfortable in my old worn favorite garments.

Speaking of which, the garments of the soul are thought, speech and deeds.

Faith is not a suit one puts on, faith comes from within.

May not be an answer but just a few thoughts.

 

[Chesterton]

I have to also say that "Eastern Orthodox" is run by the freemasons, like every other denomination there is. They are all demonically controlled by satanists.

Well that's useful information to know, but do you have a source for this information, or did you just make it up out of thin air?

 

[Chesterton]

God showed me.

Ah, okay. I changed my mind. You should wear ugly clothes.

 

[Robban]

Thank you for your response.

I don't know if that's why Paul said that, but it's an interesting thought to consider. God has really taught me to think like that a lot. That's part of why I don't think the things should be sold, it wouldn't be good to encourage others to be that way.

Do you practice Judaism?

Yes ,in as much as , today I will do better than yesterday.

 

[David Lamb]

Thank you for your response.

So you don't think that it's considered obedient for all Christians to wear ugly clothes and no accessories? Doesn't that sound like what everyone should consider as being obedient to not having anything to do with the world?

The bible doesn't tell us not to have anything to do with the world. Christians are told:

“Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” (1Jo 2:15 NKJV)

Deliberately wearing ugly clothes doesn't show that the wearer is not loving the world. If we buy the most expensive clothes we can find, and have far more items of clothing than we need, that would, in my view, be showing love for the world.

 

[David Lamb]

I have to also say that "Eastern Orthodox" is run by the freemasons, like every other denomination there is. They are all demonically controlled by satanists.

What is your basis for saying such a thing? I don't know all denominations intimately, but there are certainly some who wouldn't even allow a freemason to be a member of one of their churches, let alone to run the denomination. It's far too general a statement.

I notice that replying to another poster, you said you knew that denominations were controlled by freemasons because God showed you. How? Through His word, the bible?

 

[Chesterton]

What is your basis for saying such a thing? I don't know all denominations intimately, but there are certainly some who wouldn't even allow a freemason to be a member of one of their churches, let alone to run the denomination. It's far too general a statement.

I notice that replying to another poster, you said you knew that denominations were controlled by freemasons because God showed you. How? Through His word, the bible?

For the record, Eastern Orthodoxy has nothing whatsoever to do with freemasonry. No association, no connection, nothing.

 

[Robban]

Live and learn?

"Ugly clothes" first time I have heard that.

What are ugly clothes?

Nearest I can think of is, new jeans complete with holes and torn knees, though it is not my buisness I cannot help but wonder

if the buyers of such rags have more money than sense.

 

[David Lamb]

For the record, Eastern Orthodoxy has nothing whatsoever to do with freemasonry. No association, no connection, nothing.

Indeed, and I don't personally know of any denomination that is run by freemasons. Hardly surprising with freemasonry's Jahbulon. This is their name for God, a combination of Jehovah, Baal, and Osiris. By definition this isn't the God that Christians worship.

 

[Chesterton]

I don't mean to upset you by speaking truth. I thought it was important to say though.

You didn't upset me, but I am a little concerned for you going around bearing false witness like this.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Thank you for your response.

So you don't think that it's considered obedient for all Christians to wear ugly clothes and no accessories? Doesn't that sound like what everyone should consider as being obedient to not having anything to do with the world?

Modest dress is what Scripture prescribes. This means, your clothes should be a frame for your face and a covering for your body rather than something you use to attention-seek.

"UGLY" is just as attention seeking as half nude and sexy.

Your looking to fit in and look appropriate, not attention seeking by wearing "ugly" clothes.

Look at what women wear who look modest, the ones who don't stand out very much, but they always look nice still. That type of thing is what your looking to copy.

There's two areas of modesty, your behavior and your dress. Both should express modesty.

 

[Chesterton]

All the leaders in "Eastern Orthodoxy" are all far from being Christian, and are all satanists. They are deeply connected to freemasonry. They have many demonic symbols and gestures in their artwork also. Some of their pictures of the Lord Jesus Christ have His hand posed with evil demonic gestures. Very, very evil.

Okay, can you do me a favor though? Next time you have a chat with God, can you ask Him where I left the remote control?

 

[Robban]

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what would qualify as ugly clothes. Still figuring it out.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what would qualify as ugly clothes. Still figuring it out.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what would qualify as ugly clothes. Still figuring it out.

Something I heard recently, related to dressing in an unexpected way.

"Take off your shoes Moses."

Sensitivity,


shoes protect the feet so as not to notice when walking over rough ground, to be indifferent to what

one walks over, even those one reckons to be on a lower level.

Those who are on higher level should realize that all is in the hands of God.

So there is a connection between the garments of the soul and the garments we wear,

dirty garments are not pleasing to anyone, may they be seen as ugly?


Your quote came up three times, my clumsiness.

 

[Chesterton]

God would tell you this too, if you were to ask Him yourself. You can find this out for yourself also, just like anyone else. I don't mean the remote control, I mean that the leaders in "Eastern Orthodoxy" are freemasons.

I did ask Him, but he said "Don't worry about that right now. I have something more important to tell you - stop talking to that bizarre Leah Daniels character."