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[thankULord]

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm not sure that this will be made clear, but I would like to know what scripture says. I am recently saved, so looking for scripture is difficult when I don't know where to look or how to take it. I know the Bible speaks of a gift of speaking in foreign tongue. However, when going with my husband to his family church, they believe that gift is no longer being given out based on 1 Cor. 13:8. The church I grew up in does have people that have spoke in tongues and had an interpreter. I am just confused about all of it and I don't want to question it if it is the Holy Spirit. Thanks.

If you don't want to question if it is the Holy Spirit, then don't. Even delete this thread, or a lot of confusion and contention will follow. (from all the false and also the true posts that may (almost certainly will) follow, all mixed up, not in a good way)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I would like to know what scripture says.

This is easy , clean, and pure. Reading Scripture, constantly praying, seeking Yahuweh's Kingdom. He will reveal Salvation and everything concerning Salvation to all the little children as He Pleases, (including us), and this is His Good Pleasure so to do.
Likewise, He (the Creator, God) HIDES salvation from the educated ones, as written, as this is His Good Pleasure so to do.

 

[thankULord]

If you don't want to question if it is the Holy Spirit, then don't. Even delete this thread, or a lot of confusion and contention will follow. (from all the false and also the true posts that may (almost certainly will) follow, all mixed up, not in a good way)

I'm not sure how to delete it-Thank you-you have been most helpful to me!

 

[Acts2:38]

I'm not sure that this will be made clear, but I would like to know what scripture says. I am recently saved, so looking for scripture is difficult when I don't know where to look or how to take it. I know the Bible speaks of a gift of speaking in foreign tongue. However, when going with my husband to his family church, they believe that gift is no longer being given out based on 1 Cor. 13:8. The church I grew up in does have people that have spoke in tongues and had an interpreter. I am just confused about all of it and I don't want to question it if it is the Holy Spirit. Thanks.

It's okay. That's why scripture tells us to study, and keep studying.

Based off of 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 see also Ephesians 4:11-13

Miracles were to confirm the word, and that Christ was who he said he was.

Mark 16:20
Hebrews 2:4
Luke 7:21-22

So, if miracles are to confirm the word, and Christ's claim, do we need those miracles today?

Is the word (scripture) complete?
(Revelation is the last book of the bible completed in the 90's AD)

And if the word (scripture) is complete, do we need miracles anymore?

Paul said 1 Cor. 13:8-10

That right now they know in part and prophecy in part. Each person with gifts had a job to do, prophet, visionary, speaking tongues etc. They were each in part.

But Paul said also, that "when that which was perfect comes, that which is in part will vanish away"

Lets reason together.

Is Christ a "that"?

or

Is scripture/the word a "that"?

God's word is perfect, 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21.

So, if Gods word is perfect, and scripture was completed almost 30 years after Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, then "that which is perfect" must have come already.

And if "that which is perfect has come (scriptures completion) then miracles must have ceased (if anyone is to believe what scripture says).

I would study this further. The only way to do that, read scripture. It takes time, but it is totally necessary.

 

[Francis Drake]

Speaking in tongues is one of the gifts given by God to bless the church.

I started speaking in tongues about 45 years ago when I was baptised in the Holy Spirit.
I use the gift regularly in personal prayer and worship.
With interpretation, tongues become prophecy, again for edification of the church.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I'm not sure how to delete it-Thank you-you have been most helpful to me!

The ability to speak in an unknown language in prayer to God is listed among the gifts of the Holy Spirit given to the church to build it up in Christ. A full description of how the gift is defined and used is found in 1 Corinthians 14. At no point where Jesus or Paul ever said that the spiritual gifts, including tongues were meant to cease before the second coming of Christ. As long as the church exists from the Day of Pentecost until the day that Jesus comes again, the spiritual gifts are available for the church.

On another thread, the challenge was put to provide a detailed Scripture that definitely says that the gifts were meant to cease. All that could be provided was half an obscure verse in 1 Corinthians 13, and a theory, unproven, that the gifts ceased when the canon of Scripture was finalised. These notions go right against the principles of good exegesis and hermeneutics and therefore constitutes faulty scholarship based on prejudice rather than sound Scriptural teaching.

My view is that it does not make sense for the Holy Spirit to include a whole chapter in the New Testament teaching the correct way to exercise tongues and prophecy when these gifts were meant to be only temporary.

Those who try to tell us that tongues has to be an understandable and translatable language cannot explain the contradiction between their theory and the clear words of 1 Corinthians 14:2, which states: "The person who speaks in tongues speaks to God, hence, no other person is able to understand him; he speaks mysteries in the Spirit." Instead of trying to deal with the contradiction, these ones just keep repeating their same statements as if beating us over the head continually will convince of their unproven theory.

Also, there are those who say that the tongues the Corinthians spoke were of the flesh or even demonic because of the apparent disorder in their use of it. But Paul said that when they spoke in tongues, they were "giving thanks well". This means that Paul approved of the nature of the tongues they were speaking, but was correcting them about how they were using it.

Also, when Paul said, "I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all", he was describing exact the same nature of tongues that the Corinthians spoke; therefore if the Corinthians were speaking tongues in the flesh, so was Paul!

Also, Paul said, "I wish that you all would speak in tongues", so giving total approval for the type of tongues many of the Corinthians were speaking, and his wish was that they all did the same.

Then there are those who say that tongues cannot be used in private. They seem to miss the important words" "Yet in the church...". So, Paul is saying, I wish you all would speak in tongues, but in the church it is better to prophesy so that everyone can understand what is being said. The very statement "yet in the church" shows that Paul is making a distinction between private speaking in tongues in prayer to God, and preferring prophecy over tongues in church meetings.

All that I have said here is just taking what Paul actually says in 1 Corinthians 14, without prejudice.

The problem is that those who oppose tongues base their opposition on their own prejudice against it and then try to fit cherry-picked verses and half-verses to fit their theories. But their theories don't hold water when examining the clear statements of Scripture.

It is saddening to note that when a sincere person asks a reasonable question about tongues in a thread, and who seeks a clear Scriptural answer, the thread is hijacked by prejudiced folk who repeat their unfounded theories and quench whatever spark of faith the questioner has about it. Yet these folks can stomp on the sincere believer's little faith they have and yet have no Scriptural support for doing it, except a few out-of-context verses.

There is judgment in Scripture for those who dream up stuff out of their own heads and teach it, without any Scriptural support. They are in fact adding to Scripture and therefore come under the judgment of Proverbs 30:6.

 

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